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Discussion: Brahms: Symphonies - Chailly

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Post by nucaleena September 25, 2014 (41 of 69)
old-dog-newtricks said:

Sorry Paul, stereo only for this one.

Thanks for the info Gilbert, shame the news is so tragic (overture). How on earth could they record in Dolby Tru and not in m/ch?? Some companies, most notably puny-versal just dont want to address demand.

Post by MichaelCPE September 25, 2014 (42 of 69)
nucaleena said:

How on earth could they record in Dolby Tru and not in m/ch?? Some companies, most notably puny-versal just dont want to address demand.

No-one records in DTS HD or Dolby Tru.

What is usually recorded is LPCM (unless it is the SACD one bit system).

DTS HD and Dobly TruHD both take LPCM (however many channels) and losslessly compress this so that the file is smaller. Playback then recreates the LPCM.

So technically, if there is a LPCM track in say 96/24 and a DTS and Dolby version of these, then all should sound exactly the same.

Sometimes there is different mastering for a disc's LPCM and DTS or Dolby tracks and in this case the different systems will sound different because of the different mastering.

And it is possible that some home systems handle one system better than others - and thus there might be an audible difference even when the same mastering is used.

But as the whole point of lossless coding is that the bit rate in (which is LPCM) is equivalent to the bits out (turned into LPCM in the decoder) it should usually all sound the same.

Unfortunately my Brahms disc didn't arrive in Friday's mail, so I'll have to wait until at least Monday before I can see what is written on the packaging and how the disc sounds.

Post by old-dog-newtricks September 26, 2014 (43 of 69)
nucaleena said:

Thanks for the info Gilbert, shame the news is so tragic (overture). How on earth could they record in Dolby Tru and not in m/ch?? Some companies, most notably puny-versal just dont want to address demand.

As Michael says, the original master would not have been made in anything but pcm (except, but unlikely in DSD). It claims to be 24/96. I will be very interested to hear what others think of the sound when they receive their discs. These recordings were produced by John Fraser (ex EMI) and engineered by Philip Siney both of whom are I believe now freelance so I am not sure if they were commissioned by Decca or whether Decca have licensed a third party recording. ( No mention is made of licensing.)

Post by Astral September 26, 2014 (44 of 69)
nucaleena said:

Thanks for the info Gilbert, shame the news is so tragic (overture). How on earth could they record in Dolby Tru and not in m/ch?? Some companies, most notably puny-versal just dont want to address demand.

Nobody records in Dolby Tru, that is a post encoding.

If it is a multi track recording, which pretty much everything is, no problem to do a MCH mix.

Companies do address demand, that is how they make money. Demand for MCH music is extremely low.

Post by MichaelCPE September 26, 2014 (45 of 69)
Astral said:

Companies do address demand, that is how they make money. Demand for MCH music is extremely low.

I don't think the record companies are doing a very good job of meeting the expectations of music lovers - which is one of the reasons why they are now making much less money than they used to.

Post by Astral September 26, 2014 (46 of 69)
MichaelCPE said:

I don't think the record companies are doing a very good job of meeting the expectations of music lovers - which is one of the reasons why they are now making much less money than they used to.

I didn't say "expectations", I said "demand".

Regardless, the reason they make less money than they used to is pure and simple a move to MP3 and illegal downloading, and more recently, the rise of low resolution streaming services. Nothing more complicated than that.

The "demand" in the recording business is overwhelmingly for MP3 via iTunes.

Post by MichaelCPE September 26, 2014 (47 of 69)
As I've already pointed out in this discussion, many companies do very well providing niche markets.

Yes - of course the mass market is mp3 quality. But I said music lovers - a potentially highly profitable niche market.

Can you imagine Ferrari or Mercedes quitting the market for the very sound reason that most people cannot afford their product and thus they are doomed to remain only a niche provider of cars?

Of course not - instead they do their best to fulfill the expectations of those who might buy their product.

That this Brahms blu ray is only stereo, that we only found this out a few days ago when someone got the disc into their hands, is a great example of the industry not really caring about this product.

Post by nucaleena September 26, 2014 (48 of 69)
MichaelCPE said:

No-one records in DTS HD or Dolby Tru.

Has anyone hear ever heard of a slip of the pen? or a verbal shortcut? Geez.

Post by nickc September 27, 2014 (49 of 69)
I remember Universal also saying they might re-release certain stereo titles in future where they have MC mixes, but of course we don't know which ones they are!
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Post by MichaelCPE September 27, 2014 (50 of 69)
nickc said:

I remember Universal also saying they might re-release certain stereo titles in future where they have MC mixes, but of course we don't know which ones they are!
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One of the reasons I hate the record (and movie) companies is that far too often they release something that is second rate - the fans buy it because it is the only version - they they release a version done properly and expect the fans to pay full price to basically buy the same product again.

They can't claim any moral high ground against illegal downloading when they treat their customers so badly. [/rant]

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