Post by hiredfox July 29, 2012 (11 of 329)
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rammiepie said:
My guess is that we shall see more and more BD~Audio discs in the near future as the format can peacefully co~exist with SACD and the occasional DVD~A formats just fine.
Bless those Universal Players and OPPO for making hi~rez both enjoyable and affordable!
Marantz have signalled the imminent arrival of their SA11-S3 later this fall so dare you expect that it will handle more formats than it's predecessor?
If Bluray-A has a future it will present a conundrum for this site. The hi-rez tag more-and-more appears to mean PCM at relatively low sampling rates to the world at large..
Strange indeed that "reputable (italics)" Hi Fi sages continue to confuse sample accuracy with quality.
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Post by hiredfox July 29, 2012 (12 of 329)
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Arnaldo said:
Marantz SA-11S3 "SACD" player:
etc
That looks like a scoop or is on sale already? Oh dear, still no HDMI out for mch, guess old ken can't make it work. Shame.
Not in UK yet although matching PM11-S3 is. Possibly launching at the National HiFi Show at Whittlebury in September. No SA7-S2 in sight either although we were 'promised' one 18 months ago - but if S3 supercedes even S2 where does that leave the reference?
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Allen said:
Google does not give me a clean answer, not much discussion about the format recents, though 2L and Naxos still release BD-A material.
Is the 'movement' still having any momentum?
Yes, I see quite a bit of momentum, but not in the Blu-ray audio area. There is a continuing set of new releases in BR audio/video, led by opera and ballet, but also including many live concert titles. I estimate that there are perhaps 400 or so AV titles out there in classical music, which is all I really care about. I have the majority of them, and most are thoroughly enjoyable. There are even a few works not available on SACD.
Of course, there are about 5,000 classical titles on SACD, which had a 10+ year head start, although many are analog remasterings, which do not interest me in the least. The rate of new BR releases is less than SACD, so I am not trying to kid anyone that this is a threat to SACD lovers
I have a small group of audio friends who have all been high end audiophiles for decades and who attend a lot of live concerts. For us, there is no better way to enjoy the music, including many insights into the composer's details of scoring and the passion and emotion of the performance, than Blu-ray audio/video. That is obvious for opera and ballet, but we also find it true for concerts. We prefer it to all other media and formats. We find the sound of most fully comparable to SACD, though, with video, you are less sensitive to that. Your senses are abundantly filled by audio+video, so esoteric details of sound quality just do not matter as much. And, I always want the video on on rewatching the performance. It is the best musical experience outside the concert hall, in our opinion.
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Arnaldo said:
So, to you and your friends, video is in and audio quality is out. Well, that should go down great with an X-Large bag of buttered popcorn, a 24-fl oz Coke and a King-Size Kit-Kat bar. Stimuli for all your senses. Enjoy it!
What's next? Maybe watching the Olympics with a musical background? Bach for tennis because of the counterpoint, Mahler for soccer because it takes so long to score, and finally, Tchaikovsky for rhythmic-gymnastics because they're both so frou-frou...
Arnaldo, stop being a spoil sport. Fitz was only stating the obvious but in all fairness, the audio of most Concert BD videos is as enticing as the video and sometimes even better!
ALL hi~rez formats can co~exist and since a lot of choices are NOT being made available on SACD or are priced in the stratosphere, BD audio and video fills the gap quite nicely.
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Post by seth July 29, 2012 (15 of 329)
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Fitzcaraldo215 said:
I estimate that there are perhaps 400 or so AV titles out there in classical music, which is all I really care about. I have the majority of them, and most are thoroughly enjoyable. There are even a few works not available on SACD.
Very true.
The opera offering on BD is far greater than SACD -- if you want opera in Hi-Rez multi-channel sound, it's mainly on BD.
And I think there's a lot of potential for opera reissues on BD audio only -- no more annoying breaks between discs.
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Allen said:
So, has Blu ray-Audio gotten any potential?
It's definitely got potential, but it hasn't quite lived up to it yet.
Unfortunately, DSD was not even specified as one of the _optional_ audio formats on BD but there are some other very decent options, beyond DVD-Audio and especially DVD-Video's audio options.
> Is the 'movement' still having any momentum?
As far as I can say, it never had -- yet. After SACD's been on the market for some 12 years and audio-only BD for about 4, the total number of 'Pure Audio Blu-ray' titles released since launch doesn't even outnumber the amount of SACD titles issued in an average month.
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hiredfox said:
Marantz have signalled the imminent arrival of their SA11-S3 later this fall so dare you expect that it will handle more formats than it's predecessor?
More audio formats yes, but more optical disc formats no. For that you'll need to look to Marantz's universal disc players such as the UD7006.
It'll do Blu-ray Disc, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, SACD, CD and many others, at $999 SRP.
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Post by junchoon July 29, 2012 (18 of 329)
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has players for BD-Audio solved the problem of playing without a video output to select track(s), stereo, MCH, etc.? i have some DVD-As, but find it troublesome to fire up my projector just so i can enjoy a mostly audio only disc. imo, i find this to be as troublesome to play as an LP system.
of course many will think that physical disc is just plain old-fashion in a world of ipod/ipad/iphone.
thanks,
wps
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The Seventh Taylor said:
It's definitely got potential, but it hasn't quite lived up to it yet.
Unfortunately, DSD was not even specified as one of the _optional_ audio formats on BD but there are some other very decent options, beyond DVD-Audio and especially DVD-Video's audio options.
> Is the 'movement' still having any momentum?
As far as I can say, it never had -- yet. After SACD's been on the market for some 12 years and audio-only BD for about 4, the total number of 'Pure Audio Blu-ray' titles released since launch doesn't even outnumber the amount of SACD titles issued in an average month.
Given that SACD's are clearly a niche market, why would the world need another and arguably inferior medium to serve this small market? What would audio-only blu-rays provide the public that SACD does not now? Many, if not most, blu-ray players also accommodate SACD. Beyond comprehension,
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Euell Neverno said:
Given that SACD's are clearly a niche market, why would the world need another and arguably inferior medium to serve this small market? What would audio-only blu-rays provide the public that SACD does not now? Many, if not most, blu-ray players also accommodate SACD. Beyond comprehension,
Sadly, Euell, the music business which was served exclusively by vinyl for many years before the advent of open reel and then more portable cassettes (and then 8~track........) has NEVER been content with one format.
Which plays with your sense of logic. There is NONE.
The only upside to BD~Audio is the enormous capacity (for mch as well as stereo) and the ready availability of pressing plants.
Which is why I have adopted all formats hoping that a favorite album of mine which is not available in SACD or DVD~A may eventually find its way onto Blu~Ray Audio or vice versa.
Ironically, vinyl which was thought to be inferior has survived all of the above and is doing quite well, so go figure?
BTW, there is nothing inferior about BD~Audio provided one has the proper playback equipment. That is definitely a misnomer!
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