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krisjan said:
Perhaps you should say you heard from ONE individual who alleges this. I usually like to gather much more data before drawing such conclusions. Just sayin'.
There is no alleging this. It's true. You may want to doubt or question my sources, but when it's my wife telling me about it, then I don't question it. And my wife is quite forgiving when it comes to what's expected of her. She will work her butt off for a legitimate and fair company or organization.
Bezos has a personality cult surrounding him. He would gather up all his employees in the Seattle area in a downtown arena or hall and all his loyal minions (and each company that has a strong CEO has them) would talk about how great he is. He would then come on stage and actually cry about what he went through and how great his company is. He would then expect those same workers not to lose any work time back at the office where they would have to make up for any lost time after hours that very same day.
Turnover at Amazon (and this just in Seattle) is huge. My wife's office was poorly lit, poorly ventilated, and she was expected to work 15 hours a day. She started out working in one area and it was great for a month where she could get off to make the transit train home. But then, they pushed her to another area and demanded longer and longer work hours. She actually got stress reactions (psoriasis) from the experience and the poor working conditions.
Want more? I could also bring up my wife's friends experience who put up with their crap longer and felt trapped because the work hours wouldn't let her take any time off. She literally had to quit to even look for a different job.
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Hitters said:
Oh, no! Another thread hijacked by fanaticism and nonsense.
Well, the thread was entitled "Rhapsody in BLUE!"
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Post by Hitters July 29, 2012 (94 of 104)
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jeff3948 said:
Hi Hitters,
I learned a few things in this thread that stemmed from this discussion about this SACD of Gershwin's music. Sometimes conversations lead to new and interesting places and discoveries. And by no means is this fanaticism or nonsense. I learned how lacks Amazon is at inputting data for the SACDs they sell, usually have no samples, and still have the nerve to charge a high price of $21.78 for it. Also, they still do not have this in stock, but many others do have it in stock at a lower price! I learned that Amazon's CEO treats its employees like garbage and is greedy, that's important to me. Also, and most importantly, I learned where I can purchase this Gershwin SACD now as well as a few other places to buy SACDs that have more thorough, and accurate data about the SACDs they sell, and samples too, all for generally less than Amazon. Now that is a constructive and informative discussion thread!
OK, Jeff, might be. The tone of some posts is so rude and uneducated, though.
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Post by krisjan July 29, 2012 (95 of 104)
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flyingdutchman said:
...She literally had to quit to even look for a different job.
Looks like she made the right decision for herself. I hope she is at a better place of employment now. Your description makes it sound like some Asian sweat shop. Why would anyone work there based on your description? Where are all the lawsuits from former employees? You can find disgruntled employees from ANY and EVERY large company. That doesn't mean they are bad places to work for most employees or that the CEO is greedy. That was my original point and I'm sticking to it.
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It is a sweat shop.
No one who is rank and file stays there more than 6 months. The only ones who do stay are strict insiders and brown nosers. You can stick to your story or belief all you want, but Amazon is not a good corporate client (the stories of how they push publishers to only work with them is rampant, as is their efforts to get around the state tax issue) or a good place to work if you are simply a good worker doing their job. Honestly, why is it people just love to turn a blind eye? It stupefies me how permissive society has gotten and it's sad unions are pushed to the corner when you have blatant abuses by a company and are praised simply on the basis that they provide jobs. Yes, they do, but at what cost? The total and complete subjugation of the low and middle class.
There are numerous companies in the Seattle area that are decent to work for, but Amazon isn't one of them. My wife and I are used to working long and hard for what we do, but the conditions that Amazon puts its employees under it's no wonder they won't allow union organization there, but that's what they need.
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Post by seth July 29, 2012 (97 of 104)
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flyingdutchman said:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017932700_boardman08.html
http://www.linkedin.com/in/beldar
The whole thing about their lack of giving to non-profits ignores the fact that in general that there are ulterior motives behind a lot of corporate giving. The first thing you do when your corporation gets into big trouble is to donate a lot of money to charity in order to combat the bad PR. For example, after the financial crisis the big banks all increased their charitable giving despite the weak economy. And to blunt criticism about executive pay, many instituted rules requiring that executives and top managers give a certain percentage of their salaries to charity.
Further, in the arts field there has been a small, but growing debate about if arts organizations should be helping corporations restore their credibility after accepting their charitable donations (e.g. Credit Suisse, a heavy giver to the arts, was fined $500 million for helping to launder money to the Iranian nuclear weapons program; and there is of course David Koch who gave $100 million to Lincoln Center).
So I'm just saying, when you see a corporation give money to charity, don't be fooled into thinking that they're driven by altruistic intentions.
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flyingdutchman said:
Certainly, and I realize that. However, Bezos has let it be known that his corporate "charity" are the crap jobs he has.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017883663.html
Very interesting read, FD.
Funny how Bezos made his immense fortunes on the internet and how, eventually, that very internet may bring him to his knees!
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Post by jeff3948 August 1, 2012 (100 of 104)
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