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I am completely certain that issuing one new release a year is no way to run a record business and that AliaVox has analyzed the value of these remasterings to their bottom line.
Also, although I have had such experiences myself, I always come back to the traditional perspective recordings. Had you Buffet's money, you could do what you want but I suspect that, if you also had his brain, you wouldn't issue yet another Four Seasons in the hope of a significant profit.
Record companies are businesses.
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Yes - Record companies are businesses.
Esoteric appears to issue on SACD whatever they can lay their hands on to, whether it is hi-rez or just a standard CD. As a result, I won't touch anything they issue now -- their reputation has no value to me, and to me, as a consumer product, they cease to exist.
Aliavox shows similar disdain for their customers by issuing CD resolution material on SACD: material that has neither hi-rez content, nor real multi-channel content. Their reputation as a record company is rapidly dwindling in my eyes ... which is a pity because they release some good new issues too.
Going to the trouble of having to glean the good stuff from the bad is sometimes just not worth the trouble ... too much uncertainty about what is real and what is fake .. .the brand name goes down the tube ... That's what branding is all about.
A label that tarnishes its own brand is not a long-term business. I don't think they have a clue about the damage they are doing to themselves.
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Post by jeff3948 May 24, 2012 (13 of 36)
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Kal Rubinson said:
I am completely certain that issuing one new release a year is no way to run a record business and that AliaVox has analyzed the value of these remasterings to their bottom line.
Also, although I have had such experiences myself, I always come back to the traditional perspective recordings. Had you Buffet's money, you could do what you want but I suspect that, if you also had his brain, you wouldn't issue yet another Four Seasons in the hope of a significant profit.
Record companies are businesses.
Dear Mr. Kal Rubinson,
Sorry, I was not clear. If I were as rich as Warren Buffet, my SACD record label would be setup as a nonprofit organization like most symphony orchestra's are setup like the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and the San Francisco Symphony to provide promotion of the appreciation of classical music to society. So technically it would not be a business.
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Post by jeff3948 May 24, 2012 (14 of 36)
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canonical said:
Yes - Record companies are businesses.
Esoteric appears to issue on SACD whatever they can lay their hands on to, whether it is hi-rez or just a standard CD. As a result, I won't touch anything they issue now -- their reputation has no value to me, and to me, as a consumer product, they cease to exist.
Aliavox shows similar disdain for their customers by issuing CD resolution material on SACD: material that has neither hi-rez content, nor real multi-channel content. Their reputation as a record company is rapidly dwindling in my eyes ... which is a pity because they release some good new issues too.
Going to the trouble of having to glean the good stuff from the bad is sometimes just not worth the trouble ... too much uncertainty about what is real and what is fake .. .the brand name goes down the tube ... That's what branding is all about.
A label that tarnishes its own brand is not a long-term business. I don't think they have a clue about the damage they are doing to themselves.
Dear Canonical,
Thank you, Canonical, you have expressed my feelings as well!
I'll have to make sure my next Alia Vox purchase is not on their Heritage sub-label. But then again, they are including some old heritage stuff in their new releases like in their Dinastia Borgia 3-SACD set according to the reviews. I'll just have to wait and then make sure I read the reviews carefully before I buy.
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Post by Domimag May 24, 2012 (15 of 36)
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canonical said:
Yes - Record companies are businesses.
Esoteric appears to issue on SACD whatever they can lay their hands on to, whether it is hi-rez or just a standard CD. As a result, I won't touch anything they issue now -- their reputation has no value to me, and to me, as a consumer product, they cease to exist.
Aliavox shows similar disdain for their customers by issuing CD resolution material on SACD: material that has neither hi-rez content, nor real multi-channel content. Their reputation as a record company is rapidly dwindling in my eyes ... which is a pity because they release some good new issues too.
Going to the trouble of having to glean the good stuff from the bad is sometimes just not worth the trouble ... too much uncertainty about what is real and what is fake .. .the brand name goes down the tube ... That's what branding is all about.
A label that tarnishes its own brand is not a long-term business. I don't think they have a clue about the damage they are doing to themselves.
If you don't like the multichannel added by AliaVox, choose the original stereo CD track. What is the problem ? Is it so hard to push on a button ?
I'm really happy to hear again these old but wonderful records, in the good looking AliaVox package and I don't care of the endless complains on this forum !
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Domimag said:
If you don't like the multichannel added by AliaVox, choose the original stereo CD track. What is the problem ? Is it so hard to push on a button ?
I'm really happy to hear again these old but wonderful records, in the good looking AliaVox package and I don't care of the endless complains on this forum !
I come here looking for SACDs ... not CDs.
If you want to buy old CD resolution recordings, you can do that anywhere. You certainly don't need to come here to find out about old CD re-releases.
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Post by jeff3948 May 24, 2012 (17 of 36)
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Domimag said:
If you don't like the multichannel added by AliaVox, choose the original stereo CD track. What is the problem ? Is it so hard to push on a button ?
I'm really happy to hear again these old but wonderful records, in the good looking AliaVox package and I don't care of the endless complains on this forum !
Dear Mr. Domimag,
For me, and I can only speak for myself, I prefer true 4.0, 5.0 or 5.1 multi-channel surround releases preferably in true DSD. If not DSD then it has to be at least PCM 88.2kHz/24-bit resolution. But that is good that you enjoy the Alia Vox Heritage label. Thier packaging is beautiful. The more you buy the Hertitage label, maybe the more Alia Vox will be able to fund new true multi-channel SACDs, maybe even the first Vivaldi's Four Seasons from Savall's group. He has never recorded the Four Seasons.
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Post by wehecht May 24, 2012 (18 of 36)
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jeff3948 said:
For me, and I can only speak for myself, I prefer true 4.0, 5.0 or 5.1 multi-channel surround releases preferably in true DSD. If not DSD then it has to be at least PCM 88.2kHz/24-bit resolution.
Jeff,
Not intending to re-ignite controversy, but just for the sake of offering you an opportunity to reconsider your preconceptions, two of the discs you have given 5* sound reviews were almost certainly recorded in PCM 24/44.1. And I completely agree, both discs are superb. The quality of the finished product is not to be found in the recording system or the numbers, though, all other things being equal, we all appreciate the highest resolution possible.
Bill
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jeff3948 said:
Dear Mr. Kal Rubinson,
Sorry, I was not clear. If I were as rich as Warren Buffet, my SACD record label would be setup as a nonprofit organization like most symphony orchestra's are setup like the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and the San Francisco Symphony to provide promotion of the appreciation of classical music to society. So technically it would not be a business.
Granted and, with that understanding, I am in favor of the transfer of Mr. Buffet's holdings over to you (or to me).
Unfortunately, even the CSO/SFSO operations need to turn a profit or, at least, contribute to that effort.
Kal
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Post by Daland May 25, 2012 (20 of 36)
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Domimag said:
If you don't like the multichannel added by AliaVox, choose the original stereo CD track. What is the problem ? Is it so hard to push on a button ?
I'm really happy to hear again these old but wonderful records, in the good looking AliaVox package and I don't care of the endless complains on this forum !
I fully share this opinion.
Incidentally, the multi-channel version of the four orchestral suites is really excellent. The same goes for Bach's Brandenburg Concertos and Handel's Water and Royal Fireworks Music. It would never occur to me to regard the multi-channel sound as "fake".
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