Post by dcramer June 13, 2012 (101 of 366)
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akiralx said:
Exactly - within a few posts we entered 10 solid pages of boring technobabble which I've had to plough through.
It's the same on every single thread on this forum, which is why I barely bother visiting any more.
Ditto - thread crapping is rampant these days, or so it seems.
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So, how about that Claude Debussy guy...
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Post by raffells June 14, 2012 (103 of 366)
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DSD said:
DSD noise begins early at -120 at 24kHz and raises up to -96dB at 48kHz, which is much, much lower in the ultrasonic than the -40dB Öhman claims in the paper Raffells linked. What this tells me is there are three possibilities:
1) DSD recording mixed at 24/48kHz PCM then converted back to DSD.
2) DSD recording but used a PCM tool that only has 24/48kHz resolution.
3) 24/48kHz recording mastered in DSD.
If either #1 or #2 is the case one could use "Recorded in DSD" If #3 is the case one could use "Mastered in DSD".
BTW both volumes of the Holst are on my Recommended list for both performance and sound.
Sorry I don't have the Delius SACD so I can't test it.
Sorry madam but you limited thinking has excluded
other possibilites.
These have been strongly hinted at in the threads and was possibly the
reason Zeus banned all amateur manipulated jpegs.(By accident or not)
Its the quality of the equipment being used in the snapshots and the rather tortuous nature of how the measured signal reached the testing area..
In effect 10 different sets of equipment on graphing the ultrasonics area with
anything from cheapo laptop battery power supplies to the lab equipment used by
Korg / University test gear and finally accepted by Tom
Try re reading Ohs text again -40db..
Poor quality regulation in the power supplies and or a poor one bit d to a chip
as well as the effect of muting transistors.
Did I mention before about your black and white attitude to somethings?.
Anyhow all your guesswork and probably (1) has a chance if post editing occured ,then your stirring the pot will not change HDTracks suspicious activity or the fact that their may be something wrong somewhere which like you I can only guess at.
I agree that the net result is in the listening.
I may in fact re post the set up test that "Oh" and "L" came up with for hearing the difference between DSD and pcm.Just using the tweeters
for listening to a human voice.
Its very simple but as you know most DSD lovers dont like these tests.
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raffells said:
I agree that the net result is in the listening.
I may in fact re post the set up test that "Oh" and "L" came up with for hearing the difference between DSD and pcm.Just using the tweeters
for listening to a human voice.
Its very simple but as you know most DSD lovers dont like these tests.
Get real, DSD ability to capture true timbre of voice is nothing short of amazing.
Nat "King" Cole: Love Is The Thing
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Post by raffells June 14, 2012 (105 of 366)
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audioholik said:
Get real, DSD ability to capture true timbre of voice is nothing short of amazing.
AND Very limited because of Sony.
So,you havent done the test or seen the results of over a thousand of these tests.
I would suggest you do not make any further comments as this demo was basically the only one left that helped in a salespitch that might have convinced pcm 24/96 music holders to "come over to the dark side" sacd.
When done with voices, it is much easier to resolve the slurring of partial frequencies of " words or chorus" created by dsd64s lower performance in the 8kz and above area and also the problems of 16 bit cd.(ie lossy LSB seems mostly to be up at the very top of its limited capabilty)
It dosent help that all digital playback systems are inaccurate to some degree (Thanks Polly for reminding people)
Which one is more accurate is open for debate.
Its just the difference between the two processes is obviously clearer in this simple test.
Which one is nearer the analogue sound imagined by someone basing their opinion of historic cassette tape and tape/lp is another.?
To me analogue is the live sound of today.Like it or not this includes electronic amplification.Hence the failure of our guiraist etc to accept the "sweetening."
Now,for once Im lowering this statement to opinions rather than facts
The results are from listening test opinions.
Q...Which one has more detail etc.?
Finally I would like to thank you for your trolling/stalking that has given me the opportunity to make these factual postings.
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raffells said:
Finally I would like to thank you for your trolling/stalking that has given me the opportunity to make these factual postings.
I would like to thank you for fiercely and ignorantly arguing for the last few weeks, as (1) we have had the opportunity to realise what a complete crank you are and (2) thanks to tailspn's posts we have been reminded of the benefits of using DSD. Highlighting the Chandos case of their fraudulent use of "DSD recording" on SACDs sourced from plain old PCM has been another added benefit of the thread.
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Post by AmonRa June 14, 2012 (107 of 366)
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audioholik said:
Nat "King" Cole: Love Is The Thing
So, in 55 years there has been no improvement in sound recording technology, as that recording has been given 5 stars for sound by both reviewers?
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AmonRa said:
So, in 55 years there has been no improvement in sound recording technology, as that recording has been given 5 stars for sound by both reviewers?
Listen to Nat's voice via the SACD and make your own judgement.
PS If you want to argue that 16/44 pcm is all we need than you should talk to your newfound pcm friend - Raffells TROLL. I would suggest taking the discussion to a different forum though.
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Post by Hitters June 14, 2012 (109 of 366)
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audioholik said:
I would suggest taking the discussion to a different forum though.
Yes, please, I beg you to do so. For God's sake!
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Post by Iain June 14, 2012 (110 of 366)
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TerraEpon said:
So, how about that Claude Debussy guy...
+ 1
....and his "Nocturnes" and "Images" on this title?
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