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Just seen Jack White on Jools Holland, the world's best music show.
His record is out on vinyl.
Really tempted to start buying vinyl.
I had this feeling a decade ago with SACD.
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FunkyMonkey said:
Just seen Jack White on Jools Holland, the world's best music show.
His record is out on vinyl.
Really tempted to start buying vinyl.
I had this feeling a decade ago with SACD.
The assortment of current POP fare on vinyl is certainly a major plus but don't expect the same quality one would expect from 180g custom vinyl pressings or 45rpm gatefold extravaganzas.
And also, no multichannel (as I see you're into 5.1). But then, again, even the pricey SHM~SACDs are ONLY single~layered stereo.
At least you'll be able to fill in the MAJOR gap in CURRENT pop/rock/jazz releases.
Good luck!
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Post by electro April 28, 2012 (3 of 71)
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FunkyMonkey said:
Just seen Jack White on Jools Holland, the world's best music show.
His record is out on vinyl.
Really tempted to start buying vinyl.
I had this feeling a decade ago with SACD.
I bought a turntable a few months ago and started buying vinyl for pop music.
I went to a few hi-fi shows and listened to some REALLY hi-end gear.
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I still prefer multichannel SACD, and mostly stereo SACD to vinyl, though that is closer and sometimes I prefer the record.
I cant stand the cleaning, clicks pops and scratches and all the fuss though.
I have a brand new virgin vinyl Kate Bush Hounds of Love 180g, it's better than the CD if you can ignore the surface noise and clicks - and this is a NEW disc.
So far I am unconvinced that this is more than a passing fad!
I think the vinyl revival is grossly exaggerated in the hi-fi press - hardly anything is available in vinyl and the prices are crazy, typically three times the cost of CD!
Paul McCartney's new album is £36 in the UK!
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Post by DSD April 28, 2012 (4 of 71)
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FunkyMonkey vinyl is a good compliment to genres not well represented on SACD. However I agree with Rammiepie that the vinyl from commercial major labels is not of the high quality as from the audiophile record labels. Vinyl can sound superb but it's a real PITA to play and maintain. SACD is a better choice but the most of the world has not learned this yet. Sad.
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DSD said:
FunkyMonkey vinyl is a good compliment to genres not well represented on SACD. However I agree with Rammiepie that the vinyl from commercial major labels is not of the high quality as from the audiophile record labels. Vinyl can sound superb but it's a real PITA to play and maintain. SACD is a better choice but the most of the world has not learned this yet. Sad.
But, as noted above Teresa, the major detriment to the commercial success of SACD is lack of current multichannel fare.
For that major gap, I have wisely chosen Blu~Ray which fills in that hole, quite nicely, at more than affordable prices and exceptional quality.
IMO, ignoring the populist majority of the record buying public will always be SACD's Achilles' heel and in 2012, I'm surprised that both Analogue Productions and MoFi and even the SHM~SACD Japanese reissue program haven't picked up on this YET! (???????????)
Insisting that no "worthy" pop/rock or jazz recordings have been released after 1980 is utterly shortsighted and will always keep this wonderful format UNDER THE RADAR!
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Post by Nagraboy April 28, 2012 (6 of 71)
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I got a superb turntable last Autumn - an SME Model 10 with Series V arm and a nice Benz Micro cartridge. Great fun and a bit of a novelty at first, but after a while that novelty has worn-off for me.
The negative side of vinyl is more apparent to me now. The hassle of playing a disc is nothing more than a hassle, the tactile and ritualistic experience of playing an LP has just become irritating. I find the higher noise floor and inner groove distortion a real distraction.
A case in point is the Sinatra MFSL Reprise-era reissues. Ok it's exciting at first to play a lovingly made fresh Sinatra pressing, but the CD version can sound very good on my dCS SACD player with DSD upsampling. And it's a lot less hassle to play. I had felt the LP versions sounded better than the CDs, but now after spending more time listening to ultra-quiet SACD backgrounds I can't listen to the LPs without a sense of distraction and inaccuracy welling up in me.
I bought the turntable because I'd decided that CD had had its day and that downloads should replace it. Vinyl, SACD and downloads were the way ahead. The theory seemed sound, but the reality is that CDs are so damn cheap nowadays it's crazy to give up on them, especially if you're committed to running an SACD player for the foreseeable future. At least a CD can be ripped when required.
I haven't fully decided to sell my turntable yet, but I'm getting closer to thinking that way. My suggestion is to not drop a load of cash on a vinyl front-end and regret it later. Get something cheap to try out for a few months, if you get fed up with it it's no big deal.
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Nagraboy, just received one of my favorite Sinatra~Reprise favorite albums of all times: The Concert Sinatra (with added bonus cuts) remastered by Concord Records for under $9 brand new. Gave it two shots of Ultra~Vivid, demagnetized it and loaded it into my Meridian SooLoos.........Sounded fantastic.
God Bless Vinyl fanatics. With a little tender love and care RBCDs and even SACDs can equal vinyl on a great digital front end.
Would never go back to Vinyl but then again, because you can't download Vinyl (duh!) it's still alive and kicking and a lot of current rock musicians think it's cool to release on vinyl.
Would be cooler, IMO, to release in multichannel SACD.........
BTW, MoFi has released the Concert Sinatra on 180g vinyl for $30..........not outrageously priced, might I add.
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Post by jdaniel April 28, 2012 (8 of 71)
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Nagraboy said:
I find the higher noise floor and inner groove distortion a real distraction.
This used to bother me too.
I absolutely beg you--it's going to go against all "audiophile" common sense, but stick an AT 440mla cart on that TT.
I know, I know. Just do it; I'll buy it from you if you aren't stunned at the lack of inner groove distortion. : )
Annnnnnnyway, Vinyl and SACD compliment each other just fine for me. I don't get the complaints about "high maintenance" of vinyl though.
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Post by SnaggS April 28, 2012 (9 of 71)
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I cant stand the cleaning, clicks pops and scratches and all the fuss though.
I have a brand new virgin vinyl Kate Bush Hounds of Love 180g, it's better than the CD if you can ignore the surface noise and clicks - and this is a NEW disc.
So far I am unconvinced that this is more than a passing fad!
Its been a passing fad since 1990.
As for clicks and pops, you won't hear them after a while. Your brain will just filter them out.
Still, some styli are quieter than others, what stylus do you have?
Daniel.
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Post by SnaggS April 28, 2012 (10 of 71)
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rammiepie said:
But, as noted above Teresa, the major detriment to the commercial success of SACD is lack of current multichannel fare.
You keep banging your drum, but for music, most people don't care, and most music is recorded for stereo.
Even in movies its largely irrelevant. Multi-channel is basically the channels for helicopters and explosions ;)
I'm not saying that MC SACD can't sound wonderful, but saying its the major reason SACD hasn't caught on is clearly not true. Its where most of the marketing went in the launch.
Infact, the effort required to do this is probably what put off many labels from releasing SACD's.
In conclusion, basically, the reason SACD is not a success is your fault Rammiepie ;)
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