Thread: Talk Talk: missed opportunity

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Post by fausto K April 15, 2012 (1 of 5)
Last week, Talk Talk's majestic Colour of Spring and Spirit of Eden were re-released by EMI/Parlophone on audiophile vinyl, remastered from the analogue master tapes (as is claimed on the sticker). Included with the vinyl is a DVD disc (not DVD-A) with, as the advertising claims, 96/24 digital files. But this is oddly misleading, as on the insert of the disc one is quite open about the fact that all is not what it seems.

This is what it says: "Although the audio on this DVD has been transferred from the original analogue stereo masters at 96 kHz/24 bit, the audio used to create the final mixes was bounced down from analogue 2" 24-track to a Mitsubishi pro digi 32 track digital recorder which only recorded at a sampling rate of either 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz. Where high resolution audio would normally have content up to 40 kHz plus, the use of the Mitsubishi, with a sampling rate of 44.1 kHz, means there is no content above 22 kHz on the original digital recordings and therefore all mixes/copies that followed would also be lacking in content above 22 kHz."

Why not use the 2" analogue tapes and DSD master to SACD? -- I have never heard the original SACD remasters of these albums, so can't compare, but I can say that the sound of the Spirit of Eden vinyl (the only one I have yet heard), played on my Nottingham Analogue, is stunning and surpasses by far the previous vinyl version from Simply Vinyl (which was taken from digital files).
It would have been good though if the people at EMI would have reissued those SACDs, rather than foisting on us perfunctory DVDs with watered-down "content".

Post by rammiepie April 15, 2012 (2 of 5)
What EMI has been doing with pop/rock music over the past couple of years is releasing a cd/dvd digipak with slip covers adding bonus tracks to the rbcd and encoding the DVD with DTS and DD 5.1 or 4.0 96/24 and including a LPCM 96/24 stereo track.

Again, why not just release a single hybrid SACD with all of the above? Or even DVD~Audio 96/24 5.1 or 4.0 with a hi~rez stereo track?

Geez, how people complicate things..................

Post by Nagraboy April 15, 2012 (3 of 5)
rammiepie said:

What EMI has been doing with pop/rock music over the past couple of years is releasing a cd/dvd digipak with slip covers adding bonus tracks to the rbcd and encoding the DVD with DTS and DD 5.1 or 4.0 96/24 and including a LPCM 96/24 stereo track.

Again, why not just release a single hybrid SACD with all of the above? Or even DVD~Audio 96/24 5.1 or 4.0 with a hi~rez stereo track?

Geez, how people complicate things..................

...then put the hybrid SACD into a super jewel box! (sorry)

Yes Rammie, SACD looks the perfect format for this type of release, especially now that EMI are making those Classical reissue SACDs.

And surely, anyone who cares about music enough to buy this kind of in-depth remaster and make use of the surround sound tracks, will own a Universal (read SACD-compatible) player to play it on? What were they thinking?

Post by Claude April 16, 2012 (4 of 5)
fausto K said:

Why not use the 2" analogue tapes and DSD master to SACD?

There is a misunderstanding here. The Mitsubishi digital machine was used during the production of the album, not for the later remastering. It is part of the album mix.

The instrument and vocal tracks were recorded to analogue tape, but then copied to a digital tape recorder in order to create the overdubs.

The final mix was recorded to an analogue master tape (which allows the label to claim that the reissue is made from the "analogue master tape"), but the limited resolution of the digital 32-track machine is on that tape too, and therefore on every release of that album.

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/IntWWpb1198.html

In order to make a fully hi-rez reissue, they would have to locate the original 24-track analogue tape and recreate the mix in the hi-rez domain.

And then many fans would complain that it's not the original mix ...

Post by fausto K April 16, 2012 (5 of 5)
Claude said:

There is a misunderstanding here. The Mitsubishi digital machine was used during the production of the album, not for the later remastering. It is part of the album mix.

The instrument and vocal tracks were recorded to analogue tape, but then copied to a digital tape recorder in order to create the overdubs.

The final mix was recorded to an analogue master tape (which allows the label to claim that the reissue is made from the "analogue master tape"), but the limited resolution of the digital 32-track machine is on that tape too, and therefore on every release of that album.

http://users.cybercity.dk/~bcc11425/IntWWpb1198.html

In order to make a fully hi-rez reissue, they would have to locate the original 24-track analogue tape and recreate the mix in the hi-rez domain.

And then many fans would complain that it's not the original mix ...

thanks, Claude, for this sobering (if not depressing) info. Shows again how misleading marketing is. Nevertheless, the record sounds great (better than the RBCD in any case).

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