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Discussion: Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 2 - Brautigam

Posts: 10

Post by tream August 26, 2005 (1 of 10)
Seth, nice review of this disc. I listened to about half of it last night, and find myself really enjoying it. I've never been much of a fortepiano aficianado, but I'm liking what I've heard in the first two volumes of this series.

Post by seth August 26, 2005 (2 of 10)
tream said:

Seth, nice review of this disc. I listened to about half of it last night, and find myself really enjoying it. I've never been much of a fortepiano aficianado, but I'm liking what I've heard in the first two volumes of this series.

Thanks.

For more fortepiano goodness try:

Mozart: Piano Sonatas - Brautigam (BIS)
Mozart: Piano Variations - Brautigam (BIS)
Mozart: Piano Concertos - Bilson/Gardiner/EBS (Archiv)
Mozart: Piano Concertos - Levin/Hogwood/AAM (Decca)
Beethoven: Piano Concertos - Levin/Gardiner/ORR (Archiv)
Beethoven: Piano Trios - Immerseel/Bylsma/Beths (Sony)
Beethoven: Chamber versions of the 4th piano concerto and 2nd symphony - Levin + members of the ORR (Archiv)
Schubert: Piano Sonatas - Bilson (Hungaroton)
Schubert: Piano Sonatas - Levin (Sony)
Schubert: Piano Trios - Immerseel/Bylsma/Beths (Sony)
Schubert: Trout Quintet Immerseel/Bylsma/Beths and others (Sony)

IMO, Schubert and Mozart work best on the fp since they so specifically composed for it; they more so take advantage of its reverberation rate.

The fp really is a wonderful instrument. It's a shame so few live performances of it are given. If people heard it that way, as opposed to on recording, I think they'd be more accepting to its use.

Post by Ken_P August 26, 2005 (3 of 10)
How do you include Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert and totally ignore Haydn? Brautigam also recorded all of Haydn's solo keyboard works for BIS, and while I have not personally heard them, everything I've seen suggestes that those recordings are as excellent as his Mozart and Beethoven.

Post by seth August 26, 2005 (4 of 10)
Ken_P said:

How do you include Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert and totally ignore Haydn?

Simple. The Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert piano sonatas, piano concertos, and piano trios are far superior to Haydn's. It's not a fault of Haydn, but more to do with the status of the genre during his time. None of Haydn's piano sonatas can compare to Mozart's late sonatas, and especially not those by Beethoven and Schubert.

Post by Ken_P August 26, 2005 (5 of 10)
seth said:

Simple. The Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert piano sonatas, piano concertos, and piano trios are far superior to Haydn's. It's not a fault of Haydn, but more to do with the status of the genre during his time. None of Haydn's piano sonatas can compare to Mozart's late sonatas, and especially not those by Beethoven and Schubert.

That's not true at all. Much of Haydn's piano music is generally considered to be superior to Mozart's. The late sonatas especially, are fantastic works that anticipate many of the later developments of Beethoven. Concerti are of course another issue, but I was referring only to solo keyboard works.

Post by seth August 26, 2005 (6 of 10)
Ken_P said:

That's not true at all. Much of Haydn's piano music is generally considered to be superior to Mozart's. The late sonatas especially, are fantastic works that anticipate many of the later developments of Beethoven. Concerti are of course another issue, but I was referring only to solo keyboard works.

I can't think of any Haydn sonatas that I'd call superior, or on par with Mozart's last 4 (as well as a few middle ones, such as the a minor). If there is any Sonata that paves the way for Beethoven, it's Mozart's last, the D major, K.576

Post by zeus August 27, 2005 (7 of 10)
seth said:

Simple. The Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert piano sonatas, piano concertos, and piano trios are far superior to Haydn's.

I wouldn't agree with this. Sure Haydn churned them out but there's some truly excellent keyboard sonatas amongst his late works, different to Mozart etc but no less worthy. Try Schiff's set (above).

Post by ramesh August 27, 2005 (8 of 10)
Seth,
On SACD there's Staier's disc of Mozart sonatas; and Immerseel et al's Sony disc of the Trout is on sale in Japan, I haven't heard the latter, though.
About 15 years ago, Melvyn Tan and Norrington toured Europe with Beethoven's last or penultimate piano. I heard them in London perform the Beethoven 4th concerto, and the sound world of the opening movement was very apt on it, although the slow movement suffered by comparison.

Post by seth August 27, 2005 (9 of 10)
ramesh said:

Seth,
On SACD there's Staier's disc of Mozart sonatas; and Immerseel et al's Sony disc of the Trout is on sale in Japan, I haven't heard the latter, though.

ok...

Post by Beagle August 7, 2006 (10 of 10)
Zeus,

Thank you, I am no longer fooled by the mere presence of "DSD" on the back of a booklet. However, how DOES one identify The Real Thing? (Other than just buy PentaTone.)

I am looking at the colophon (end notes) of this disc and reading:
"... microphones, ProTools with DIGI 002 hard disc recordings; Pyramix DSD workstation...".

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