Post by tream May 31, 2011 (11 of 20)
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rammiepie said:
Tick, Tick, Pop, Pop......no thank you!
The SACDs sound superb, thank you!
These days you don't have to live with ticks and pops in vinyl. First, the quality of vinyl these days is much higher than it was when LPs ruled the world, and second, a cleaning of an LP before playing with a quality record cleaning machine takes care of the rest. I have played LPs many times with absolutely no ticks or pops. Of course, you do have to fuss a bit more, and there is no multichannel capability, and side timings are shorter. I find that in stereo, vinyl has a more immediate and emotionally imvolving sound than even SACD. But, vinyl isn't for everyone, and I do believe multichannel adds a tremendous dimension to the listening experience. Bottom line, given the choice between the same recording in multichannel SACD and vinyl I would go for the multichannel SACD. In stereo, if the master were analog, I would go for vinyl.
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Post by armenian May 31, 2011 (12 of 20)
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I do not see how some of these Mahler recordings can be transferred to vinyl without adding some healthy amount of compression, which to me makes the effort a waste.
Leaving the dynamic range intact is a very tough proposition for any cartridge to properly track, and, with uncompressed material the volume needs to be raised way up to make the low level signals audible, and that will give you plenty of surface noise, the vinyl trademark.
Vahe
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Post by Claude May 31, 2011 (13 of 20)
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I think the LP set is more of a collector's item for fans of the orchestra. Mahler's long symphonies generally fit the CD/SACD format so much better, and which format would be better suited for a DSD multichannel recording than SACD?
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tream said:
These days you don't have to live with ticks and pops in vinyl. First, the quality of vinyl these days is much higher than it was when LPs ruled the world, and second, a cleaning of an LP before playing with a quality record cleaning machine takes care of the rest. I have played LPs many times with absolutely no ticks or pops. Of course, you do have to fuss a bit more, and there is no multichannel capability, and side timings are shorter. I find that in stereo, vinyl has a more immediate and emotionally imvolving sound than even SACD. But, vinyl isn't for everyone, and I do believe multichannel adds a tremendous dimension to the listening experience. Bottom line, given the choice between the same recording in multichannel SACD and vinyl I would go for the multichannel SACD. In stereo, if the master were analog, I would go for vinyl.
+1
Well said. I agree completely.
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Post by aaron August 18, 2012 (15 of 20)
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I just received the box. It is called "the Mahler project" and not 'cycle'???
Why is that? Can't see any difference.
Anyway, this not as great as all individual discs, but still nice (payed 110 euro), much cheaper.
The dynamic range of these sacd's is absolutely tremendous, very clean recordings. On par is the RCO with Mariss Jansons. Maybe I like these even more but there are only 1,2,3,5,6.
But, and there is a but.
Ivan Fischer with the BFO on Channel Classics is the winner. SFS is a top-dsd recording but Channel's recording is the best of the best. You can argue between interpretations, but recording-wise there is a clear winner.
I wish Fischer made such great(er) box.
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Maybe one of the pathological Mahler fanatics among us will review this set and provide us with the up-to-date state of play respecting competing SACD versions of the individual symphonies. With so many SACD alternatives now out there, the primary appeal here must be to the SFSO/MTT fanboys and girls.
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Post by tream August 18, 2012 (17 of 20)
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SteelyTom said:
Maybe one of the pathological Mahler fanatics among us will review this set and provide us with the up-to-date state of play respecting competing SACD versions of the individual symphonies. With so many SACD alternatives now out there, the primary appeal here must be to the SFSO/MTT fanboys and girls.
Fanboys and girls, huh? I guess you will need to count Kal Rubison, Andy Quint and Christopher Abbott, all of whom continue to recommend individual releases by these forces even in the face of other releases, as fanboys.
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Post by hiredfox August 19, 2012 (18 of 20)
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SteelyTom said:
...one of the pathological Mahler fanatics ...a
..the primary appeal here must be to the SFSO/MTT fanboys and girls.
Such silly reductionist proclamations rather spoil the point you are trying to make.
Being spoiled for choice does not insist that one is bound to make a choice. Each recording should be treated on it's merits; MTT is as likely or as unlikely to interpret each symphony 'correctly' or not as one sees it. The same goes for Ivan Fischer whose freshness of approach to the central repertory may also be seen as idiosyncratic and even eccentric, perhaps deliberately so to provide his orchestra with a USP in a crowded market place. Nor should every conductor try to mimic George Szell because in music circles there may be an arbitrary acceptance of his 'mastery' over this repertory.
The point is that all these conductors bring something new to the party and if you end up with ten versions all of which have merit in there own right then whats wrong with that?
From my own experience, having seen MTT perform many times in the UK and The Netherlands over the years, I had never really warmed to his style but that was with different orchestras and therein may lie the key. His Mahler collection swept me off my feet as it were right from the start and changed my rather entrenched view of the maestro maybe for ever (?). If perchance the epithet "fanboy" now fits well with me then it was jolly well earned through excellence and not through some teenage 'crush' kind of romantic notions.
;-)
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Post by lennyw August 19, 2012 (19 of 20)
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hiredfox said:
From my own experience, having seen MTT perform many times in the UK and The Netherlands over the years, I had never really warmed to his style but that was with different orchestras and therein may lie the key. His Mahler collection swept me off my feet as it were right from the start and changed my rather entrenched view of the maestro maybe for ever (?). If perchance the epithet "fanboy" now fits well with me then it was jolly well earned through excellence and not through some teenage 'crush' kind of romantic notions.
Took the words out of my mouth. Have seen MTT a few times and have yet to be impressed, and yet many of the recordings in this cycle have been wonderful from both a stylistic and audiophile point of view (2 and 6 immediately spring to mind).
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Post by tream August 19, 2012 (20 of 20)
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. If perchance the epithet "fanboy" now fits well with me then it was jolly well earned through excellence and not through some teenage 'crush' kind of romantic notions.
;-)
Well said!
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