Thread: PENTATONE THREAD

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Post by Luukas November 10, 2015 (1161 of 1170)

Post by Windsurfer November 11, 2015 (1162 of 1170)
diw said:


I only have to wait 12 more months to get an Elgar Cello Concerto! After whining and pleading for years!

Well, At least you see it in the future - I am still waiting for a Martinu cello concerto #1.

If anyone doubts the worth of this concerto look up the youTube video by Michaela Fukacova. She plays this lyrical work rather passionately. I bet Johannes Moser would also! Wake up PentaTone!

Post by Windsurfer November 11, 2015 (1163 of 1170)
I wonder why sa-cd.net hasn't listed the Dvorak/Lalo yet under "titles"??

Post by diw November 11, 2015 (1164 of 1170)
Windsurfer said:

Well, At least you see it in the future - I am still waiting for a Martinu cello concerto #1.

Good news, windsurfer! In the Bis thread, Robert revealed that This concerto will be on a Christian Poltera disc, to be released in early 2016.

Post by Adrian Cue November 20, 2015 (1165 of 1170)
Windsurfer said:

I wonder why sa-cd.net hasn't listed the Dvorak/Lalo yet under "titles"??

The SA-CD.net data base is no longer kept up to date. For new releases I recommend that you join hraudio.net.

Post by Luukas November 23, 2015 (1166 of 1170)
It looks like that Weber's "Der Freischutz" (Kleiber) was really recorded on quad:
"The first quadraphonic recording (4 tracks) took place with mobile equipment in Boston with Michael Tilson Thomas, followed by the first 8 track opera production with Carlos Kleiber in 1973 (Weber: Der Freischütz)". (Wikipedia)
Direct link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Berliner_Studios

I guess that the technology was slightly similar as Puccini: Tosca - Sir Colin Davis. The mentioned Philips Classics recording was also prepared by 8 track multi-channel tapes - but during the remastering process Jean-Marie Geijsen transferred the surround sound into its original form - for four channels.

So, we have to just hope that PENTATONE will get the license from Deutsche Grammophon. But the physical release would be available in 2017 because the new season (2016) has been already finalized.

Post by Ubertrout November 23, 2015 (1167 of 1170)
4 track doesn't mean quad, necessarily, and 8 track doesn't mean that a 7.1 master was prepared. It just means that the recording was mixed from 4 or 8 recorded tracks. Now, obviously, the MTT/Boston recording was also prepared for quad, but all the Weber recording being done in 8 channels means is that DGG could, in theory, go back and make a 5.1 or quad mix from the 8-track master tape.

I don't know if you've noticed this, but Universal does not seem to be licensing Pentatone their most popular titles...most of the Philips recordings done by Pentatone were not in print as individual issues, except for the Davis Berlioz and one or two others. As best I can tell all of the DG recordings were out of print except in box sets.

Post by Luukas November 24, 2015 (1168 of 1170)
Here are some information about the 8-track master tapes:

http://8trackheaven.com/8-track-collecting/quadromania/the-quad-faq/

Post by Ubertrout November 24, 2015 (1169 of 1170)
Luukas said:

Here are some information about the 8-track master tapes:

http://8trackheaven.com/8-track-collecting/quadromania/the-quad-faq/

Luukas, you're confusing 8-track consumer cartridges with 8-track master tapes. Note that "master tape" never appears in the article you linked to.

8-track cartridges were a format popular in the 60s and 70s before the audiocassette became popular. I remember having one in an old car we fondly called "the boat." 8-track cartridges used the 8 tracks of the tape to extend the runtime of the stereo program, offering 4 times the runtime it would offer if the tape were only 2-track. A quad 8-track cartridge used 4 tracks per program, instead of two, offering twice the channels and half the runtime of a standard 8-track cartridge.

If you look at the quad discography and see a Q8 tape mentioned, that's what they're talking about.

However, this has nothing to do with how many tracks are on the master tape. I would wager that most recordings made in the 70s were made with at 8 tracks, if not 16. However, what's relevant is not how many tracks are on the master tape, but whether anyone bothered to do a quadraphonic release mix from those tracks from the general public. Otherwise there's no quad mix to release - it would need to be created from scratch from the 8 track master tape, which is not mixed for consumer release.

Now, Pentatone has indicated that they will not be doing multichannel mixes of releases without an existing quadraphonic mix. However, Deutsche Grammophon / Universal Classics has done 5.1 mixes themselves in the past (E.G. for the Kleiber Beethoven disc, and in theory for the Kleiber Schubert disc as well included on the Blu-ray release of all the orchestral recordings). If you're really passionate about getting this recording in multichannel you might want to talk to Universal Classics directly.

Post by Luukas November 30, 2015 (1170 of 1170)

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