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Discussion: Prokofiev: Lieutenant Kije etc. - Ashkenazy

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Post by stvnharr July 3, 2010 (11 of 41)
DSD said:

Yes most Exton SACDs have always been ¥3,000.

Flyingdutchman what we are saying is that ¥3,000 may be reasonable in Japan, in the rest of the world it is very unreasonable and too much of a financial burden on hard working people. In the heyday of SACD, most SACDs retailed for $11.99 - $19.99 except for the MFSL and Analogue Productions which were $24.99 (now $29.99). Plus in the USA it was not unusual to get 20% - 40% discounts. From Japan you are lucky to get a 5% discount.

The rest of the world is not as rich as the Japanese.

Nothing says you HAVE to buy them.

These are Japanese discs for the Japanese market. The booklets are in Japanese, no English or any other language to speak of either is in the booklets.
If these discs were really meant for "the rest of the world", then I think they (Exton) would do things a bit differently, as they have in a few instances.
I think we are all used to the music labels making releases for the broader western world, with distributors in most countries, booklets in several languages, and such.
But the Japanese labels are not like that. Accept it!!!

Post by DSD July 3, 2010 (12 of 41)
Steven the Exton SACDs imported into Europe and the USA have English and Japanese texts and are about half the cost of the ones we have to buy directly from Japan which as you say are Japanese only. Exton has released 239 SACDs of which only about 20 are available outside of Japan.

These are brand new DSD recordings of major orchestras, of course the rest of the world wants them.

Post by stvnharr July 4, 2010 (13 of 41)
DSD said:

These are brand new DSD recordings of major orchestras, of course the rest of the world wants them.

I think you've overstated this just a little bit.

If Exton wanted to run a world wide distribution network, I'm sure they could do so. But they don't have to if they don't want to.

If you want them that bad, then you simply pay what they cost. Complaining that they cost too much is silly.

Post by flyingdutchman July 4, 2010 (14 of 41)
DSD said:



The rest of the world is not as rich as the Japanese.

That's about the dumbest comment I've seen you write.

Honestly, do you even get the idea about cost of living? Cost of living in Japan is almost twice what it is in many parts of the US, so items such has hi-rez will be also more expensive.

Exton, as a Japanese company, isn't worried about your so-called low income status. They didn't make these intended for you. These discs are meant for the Japanese market...pure and simple. You want them, you pay what the Japanese pay for them, with the yen--dollar exchange rate in place. You somehow think the Japanese record store is going to charge you any less than they charge the Japanese consumer? If so, you are nuts.

Post by DSD July 4, 2010 (15 of 41)
Then that translates into NO SALE, pure and simple.

BTW I am well aware of the high cost of living in Japan, not just SACDs! Even Exton does not expect Americans to pay those high prices as the SACDs they import to the USA sell for $19.99 with free shipping, it's just they don't import very many into the USA. Your attitude is very unreasonable.

Post by hiredfox July 4, 2010 (16 of 41)
Peter said:

That is not the impression I got at all when speaking with the UK importer yesterday.

Oh Peter, you tease! What have you been told? Is there some room for optimism?

Post by diw July 4, 2010 (17 of 41)
So what's the deal with Exton going 2 channel? When was this decision made? Will it affect all their future releases?

What a dumb idea if you ask me. Although from a business perspective I understand the Japanese market isn't much into MC.

Post by flyingdutchman July 4, 2010 (18 of 41)
diw said:

So what's the deal with Exton going 2 channel? When was this decision made? Will it affect all their future releases?

What a dumb idea if you ask me. Although from a business perspective I understand the Japanese market isn't much into MC.

Perhaps due to the fact most Japanese households cannot accommodate a surround system, i.e., not the means nor the room size to allow for it.

Post by jdaniel July 4, 2010 (19 of 41)
DSD said:

I am sad. Exton's catalog is growing like gangbusters and it's way, way too expensive with the exception of a handful of releases imported to the USA for $20. Ordering from Japan is about $35 US plus super expensive shipping. After being spoiled by Telarc SACDs priced at $13.99 or less for nearly a decade, this is harsh.

This is the first appearance of The Love for Three Oranges and The Ugly Duckling on SACD. Exton even records 2 channel stereo only, thus I know it is a dedicated 2 channel mix, just perfect for us 2 channel lovers. How nice it would be to be rich. Instead I can only dream of SACDs such as this as I could never justify their price in the real world.

If it's that out of your range, just buy Abaddo's with Chicago on DG Lp for .99 cents!

Post by hiredfox August 27, 2010 (20 of 41)
Just to let you all know that we took the plunge and bought this disc from CDJ. Cost apart it is an absolute stunner, superb performances by the Sydney Symphony collectively and individually producing a disc of demonstration quality.

This surely is one of the finest SACD recordings ever made (IMHO) with an incredible dynamic range, frequency extremes rarely if ever captured even in this medium and a level of articulation that is bewildering. Doubters of the merits of DSD recording will gnash their teeth in anguish, those Exton people are really getting there...

Overall this disc has cost me £35 - thanks to some over-zealous jobs worth at UK C & E - but it is worth every single penny just to have some quality Prokofiev in my collection.

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