Thread: Perceivable audio quality

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Post by sordidman January 5, 2010 (91 of 111)
"" Why do you guys give a hoot?""

I don't know exactly what this means, - so you might want to get specific. But, mostly it's letting her get away with a religious war on every post wherein she can't just post without saying that she hates CD and it is evil.

We all agree that SACD is better: but it's completely erroneous to state that CDs AND SACDs do not vary in quality. And some SACD recordings can be bad, and even sound worse than excellent CD recordings. And, modern universal players improve on both formats: of course recognizing that most all SACDs will indeed sound better. Alas, it's Teresa's extreme and unshared viewpoint that is outside reason, plus her hypocrisy that is challenged and deserves to be.

""but there were enough of them at that time that I basically concluded that CD sound was unacceptable.""

Hear that, still, you said it with much more reason, flexibility, and qualification than Teresa ever has. And, you're also implying that things change: especially since redbook and universal players have improved. And, many redbook recordings have also.

""privately admitted to me that basically (with some exceptions) Theresa is right, but those folks don't want to get in the middle of this, fearing, I suppose that they will be steamrollered by such stand up guys as, well, sordidman and disbeliever.""

They should stand up and say so then. I think that Steamrolling is a bit strong here. You, and everyone else, (and me too), believe that SACDs sound better, but no one else but Teresa holds the extreme viewpoint that CDs are evil and we should conduct a war against them. (I'm not over-exaggerating here, she has said this). I am in the camp that SACDs in most all cases are decidedly better sounding, - but that doesn't mean that redbook CDs are all equal in bad sound quality. Who else have I "steamrolled?" Am I "steamrolling" you right now? Are you and I in disagreement?

I'm arguing against hypocrisy and unreasonable and unsubstantiated behavior. But if you believe that putting tin foil on your windows is more important than putting together some playback equipment where someone can actually hear the differences in SQ in ALL FORMATS, - then I'd probably not be the only one questioning your posts.

Post by flyingdutchman January 5, 2010 (92 of 111)
krisjan said:

I agree with Teresa on one thing - SACD technology does, on average, produce a more natural, realistic, musical sound than does RBCD technology. But that's where our agreements end unfortunately because for me its more of a continuum change in "rightness" as opposed to the steep slope that she ascribes to. That's why I happily listen to many RBCD's along side SACD's because, for me, the music is the most important thing and there are just way too many RBCD's out there that will never be on SACD. I get enormous enjoyment from both SACD and RBCD and in my audio setup I get a nice three dimentional soundstage from the stereo tracks of both technologies using the Hafler-type rear channel. It's the best of both worlds for me!

Which mirrors exactly what I believe.

Post by RWetmore January 5, 2010 (93 of 111)
flyingdutchman said:

Which mirrors exactly what I believe.

Seconded.

Post by DSD January 5, 2010 (94 of 111)
Sordidman I was responding to Osbert's post before you RUDELY interrupted. Post by DSD January 4, 2010 02:49 pm (73 of 91). I nevefr bring up the subject of CD, others do, I just respond when the anti-CD side is misstated by the poster.

You accuse me of being the only person to dislike CD. You are totally blind to the many people who dislike not only CD but PCM in any form or those who dislike digital in any form including my beloved SACD format. At least I like some PCM and love DSD!

I know of dozens of people who hate SACD and that doesn't bother me. Todd Krieger says all high resolution digital gives him a headache and that also doesn't bother me. Why? Because I am tolerant of other peoples views. So why do so many CD lovers get upset at people who hate CDs?

This is SA-CD.net, promoting CD does not belong here IMHO.

However ONCE AGAIN to answer your stupid charge that I am alone in my dislike for CD, just read Bruce's (Windsurfer) post on the previous page (89 of 91) and the following:

"I do not know anyone that can listen to a few CDs one after the other. Digital music tends to fatigue most people." Steven Bell

"...I would rather listen to any HQ music than sandpaper quality CDs."
dax44

"RBCDs suck!"
Paul Clark

"I have hated Redbook since the day it came out in the early 1980's."
Tony Lauck

For many more read
http://anti-cd.lefora.com/forum/category/daily-anti-cd-quote/

Sordidman you need to learn empathy and tolerance of other peoples views.

Post by flyingdutchman January 5, 2010 (95 of 111)
The quotation and use of your own blog where you've had a scant 20 people reply (and probably for the most part they are you anyway) to substantiate your point of view is ridiculous. You have your blog and you've stated your opinion on it, here, and AA (as well as goodmusicguide where the people there couldn't care less what you think). Leave it be.

Post by DSD January 5, 2010 (96 of 111)
flyingdutchman you could use some empathy and tolerance of other peoples views as well.

Post by flyingdutchman January 5, 2010 (97 of 111)
As I look a little closer at your blog, you are taking people's quotes from here and using them on your blog. I think you could get into trouble for that.

Post by FullRangeMan January 5, 2010 (98 of 111)
I hate vivyl first time I listen CD, I hate CD at first time I listen SACD.

Post by emaidel January 6, 2010 (99 of 111)
I don't hate CD's at all, as I've stated numerous times. And, as I've also stated, I have a number of CD's that sound considerably better than several of my SACD's - even highly rated SACD's at that. Still, my preference is for the SACD, and my purchases are almost exclusively in that format, though if I want something that's only available on CD, I'll purchase that CD without any belief that I'm a "traitor to the cause."

When I first bought my SACD player, I reported my findings elsewhere and stated that, while I always preferred the SACD layer to the CD layer whenever I made a comparison between the two, I found the differences subtle, and hardly night and day. That said, I simply cannot agree with anyone stating that CD's are "unlistenable," or worse, and that SACD's are sonic nirvana.

As others have pointed out, newer players have largely erased the unpleasantness of early "CD-sound," and now make listening to CD's a rather enjoyable experience. SACD's still rule, but CD's are hardly the sonic equivalent of snake oil and audio blasphemy.

Post by urbo73 January 6, 2010 (100 of 111)
Why do people care what other people like or dislike? This is not a technical argument, so why bother? If it were, it would be a different issue. As it stands, who cares? I'm sure you can find people that hate many things for many reasons. I for one hated CDs back in 1977! Because I knew they were coming. What's the point of arguing?

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