Thread: Channel Classics switching to Grimm Audio DSD converter

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Post by Petrus December 2, 2009 (71 of 125)
audioholik said:

If I remember correctly Bissie stated many times that 24bit recordings sounded better than 16bit and BIS sound engineers confirmed that as well.. He additionally said he would consult with them if 24/88,2kHz would be possible for future stereo recordings...

So far NOBODY has been able to tell 16/44 apart from 24/96 in my test sample. Gentlemen?

Post by audioholik December 2, 2009 (72 of 125)
Petrus said:

So far NOBODY has been able to tell 16/44 apart from 24/96 in my test sample. Gentlemen?

Petrus, this thread is about DSD.

PS Maybe you should go to some blu-ray forum? sounds like a good idea?

Post by Petrus December 2, 2009 (73 of 125)
audioholik said:

Petrus, this thread is about DSD.

PS Maybe you should go to some blu-ray forum? sounds like a good idea?

Just noticed that the test file I have used has been chosen "a Record to Die for" by Stereophile.

Details at the relevant thread.

Post by audioholik December 2, 2009 (74 of 125)
Petrus said:

Just noticed that the test file I have used has been chosen "a Record to Die for" by Stereophile.

Details at the relevant thread.

like I said - blur ay forum.

Post by DSD December 2, 2009 (75 of 125)
Petrus said:

Please, all the sound engineers, explain why the Dorian recordings done in the eighties at 16/48 using an ancient DAT machine still sound the best?

I have heard at least a dozen Dorian SACDs and most sounded very bad, with the worst qualities of the CD format, especially with strident string tone. As far as CDs are concerned I liked Telarc and Reference Recordings the best, and Telarc does much better with realistic organ sound than Dorian even did at 44.1kHz. Even though sting tone is never totally smooth in the CD format, making it an unacceptable format for me, string tone on SACDs is usually smooth but not always! So for me there will always be rejects, even of DSD recordings, that are not smooth enough to give me listening pleasure and pleasure is why I listen to music in the first place.

But where organ reigns supreme is on SACD especially Telarc and Exton, check out:

Organ Surround Illusion - Barta
A really exciting organ DSD recording

Dupre, Franck, Widor: Organ Works - Michael Murray These french organ works are sublime and emphasize beauty over raw power. DSD recorded.

Post by Petrus December 2, 2009 (76 of 125)
DSD said:

I have heard at least a dozen Dorian SACDs and most sounded very bad, with the worst qualities of the CD format, especially with strident string tone. As far as CDs are concerned I liked Telarc and Reference Recordings the best, and Telarc does much better with realistic organ sound than Dorian even did at 44.1kHz. Even though sting tone is never totally smooth in the CD format, making it an unacceptable format for me, string tone on SACDs is usually smooth but not always! So for me there will always be rejects, even of DSD recordings, that are not smooth enough to give me listening pleasure and pleasure is why I listen to music in the first place.

But where organ reigns supreme is on SACD especially Telarc and Exton, check out:

Organ Surround Illusion - Barta
A really exciting organ DSD recording

Dupre, Franck, Widor: Organ Works - Michael Murray These french organ works are sublime and emphasize beauty over raw power. DSD recorded.

This post makes it quite clear that you have not heard the Guillou Franck set recorded at St Eustache.

I have that Murray, is on my give-it-away-to-my-not-so-favourite-aunt-for-christmas list.

Post by RWetmore January 14, 2010 (77 of 125)
Petrus said:

I am not blaiming that the engineers who do the recording do not understand the facts, just that it takes exeptional professional courage to say it aloud like Bissie has done. All others more or less dance to the tune of the marketing department.

I believe Bissie records in 44.1k primarily due to the inherent limitations of his existing equipment. If those limitations didn't exist, I think it's safe to say he'd most definitely record in 88.2khz or 176.4khz.

Post by jullepoika January 15, 2010 (78 of 125)
RWetmore said:

I believe Bissie records in 44.1k primarily due to the inherent limitations of his existing equipment. If those limitations didn't exist, I think it's safe to say he'd most definitely record in 88.2khz or 176.4khz.

I belive a comprehensive listening test was made at BIS with a large group of engineers and musicans to find out if anybody could hear a difference between 24/44.1 and higher resolution formats including DSD. As NOBODY could tell the difference, 24/44.1 was deemed to be good enough. The overwhelming success of BIS SACD disks recorded at 24/44.1 proves that they are right.

Post by DSD January 15, 2010 (79 of 125)
jullepoika said:

The overwhelming success of BIS SACD disks recorded at 24/44.1 proves that they are right.

So why don't BIS SACDs sound as good as Channel Classics, BSO, PentaTone or Telarc SACDs? Heck even the few BIS DSD recorded SACDs in my system do not sound as good as Telarc SACDs from 50kHz 16 Bit Soundsteam masters!

It's not just the low resolution, but the lack of deep bass, the lack of a huge soundstange, the lack of convincing instrumental timbre, the lack of smooth relaxing sound, etc. Some BIS SACDs even at 44.1kHz do indeed sound great, but NONE sound real! The SACD format is capable of so much more, and only a few great engineers understand this!

Post by canonical January 15, 2010 (80 of 125)
jullepoika said:

I belive ...

Petrus troll = back

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