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Discussion: Rachmaninov: Music from "Aleko", Etudes tableaux, Scherzo - Ashkenazy

Posts: 9

Post by DSD October 6, 2009 (1 of 9)
Good things come to those who wait!

I was so disappointed with Rachmaninov: Symphony No. 2 - Paavo Järvi hated Jarvi's version of the Symphony but loved the excerpts from "Aleko".

Well here is the music from "Aleko" from one of my favorite conductors on one of my favorite labels in a stereo DSD recording. No need for the Jarvi at all now as I have de Waart performing the three Symphonies. And this new disc to replace the fillers.

From Exton I also have these SACDs by Rachmaninov
Rachmaninov: Complete Symphonies & Orchestral Works - Edo de Waart
Rachmaninov: The Bells etc - Czech Philharmonic/Ashkenazy
This this should compliment my collection perfectly.

I am really excited! When I get this SACD I will have 17 Rachmaninov compositions on 5 wonderful Exton DSD recorded SACDs.

The "HQ" means that the Stereo program is NOT lossless compressed since there is no multichannel program the entire DSD layer can be used for the stereo program.

Post by FullRangeMan October 7, 2009 (2 of 9)
DSD said:
The "HQ" means that the Stereo program is NOT lossless compressed since there is no multichannel program the entire DSD layer can be used for the stereo program.

So wonder about this SACD...... Do this Exton Stereo only SACD is just like, very, same the BIS series Ultra Long Time SACDs??
If Yes how much time it have? Do it have about 255 minutes like the BIS ''ULT'' SACDs??
Gustavo

Post by DSD October 7, 2009 (3 of 9)
FullRangeMan said:

So wonder about this SACD...... Do this Exton Stereo only SACD is just like, very, same the BIS series Ultra Long Time SACDs??
If Yes how much time it have? Do it have about 255 minutes like the BIS ''ULT'' SACDs??
Gustavo

No they are standard playing time, 70 minutes or so. They just require twice as much space as they are not using lossless compression. Which means they could be about 127 minutes or so?

Post by hiredfox October 7, 2009 (4 of 9)
As you know, I too love Exton recordings (on the whole) but their lack of availability in the UK almost confines them to the status of curiosities in my book. Recently "taking the bull by the horns" I ordered 6 from HMV Japan which duly arrived intact.

Their were two downsides in so doing;

The total cost of the exercise including all the associated importation charges levied by the officials of 'This Sceptered Isle' made it unlikely the exercise will be repeated

My discovery on receipt that two of the 6 were re-mastered DSD from original PCM material; that all Exton recordings are not original DSD.

The Rachmaninov has been added to Wish List, who knows what might happen.

Post by Peter October 7, 2009 (5 of 9)
hiredfox said:

As you know, I too love Exton recordings (on the whole) but their lack of availability in the UK almost confines them to the status of curiosities in my book. Recently "taking the bull by the horns" I ordered 6 from HMV Japan which duly arrived intact.

Their were two downsides in so doing;

The total cost of the exercise including all the associated importation charges levied by the officials of 'This Sceptered Isle' made it unlikely the exercise will be repeated

My discovery on receipt that two of the 6 were re-mastered DSD from original PCM material; that all Exton recordings are not original DSD.

The Rachmaninov has been added to Wish List, who knows what might happen.

You're telling me - [expletives deleted] - the import duty is bad enough, it's the £8 (or is it more now?) "inspection fee" on top of that which is particularly galling.

Coupled with the enormous postage charges, risible exchange rate and so on and so forth, I've come to the conclusion it's a luxury I can do without. I enjoy direct cut recordings, so I'll carry on sharpening my thorns and getting out my enormous horn.

Post by FullRangeMan October 7, 2009 (6 of 9)
DSD said:
No they are standard playing time, 70 minutes or so. They just require twice as much space as they are not using lossless compression. Which means they could be about 127 minutes or so?

>>> Which means they could be about 127 minutes or so? >>> I do not know it, I do not own this SACD.

DSD do not use compression codecs like MP3/4,AC3,DD,DTS or lossless MLP like DVD and BluRay, it is a Linear recording/playback format. This is the first time I read about DSD compression.

Post by Domimag October 7, 2009 (7 of 9)
No more interest for me with EXTON (or TRITON etc...) since they record now only in stereo !

Post by DSD October 7, 2009 (8 of 9)
FullRangeMan said:

>>> Which means they could be about 127 minutes or so? >>> I do not know it, I do not own this SACD.

DSD do not use compression codecs like MP3/4,AC3,DD,DTS or lossless MLP like DVD and BluRay, it is a Linear recording/playback format. This is the first time I read about DSD compression.

It's called DST, that is how they are able to get a high resolution multichannel and stereo program to fit on one layer of a disc.

DST

To reduce the space and bandwidth requirements of DSD, a lossless data compression method called Direct Stream Transfer (DST) is used. DST compression is compulsory for multi-channel regions and optional for stereo regions. This typically compresses by a factor of between two and three, allowing a disc to contain 80 minutes of both 2-channel and 5.1-channel sound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD

What is DST?

DST is short for Direct Stream Transfer - a losslessly compressed variant of DSD. Lossless compression means every single bit from the original input stream is delivered at the output after decompression, just like a zipped file on your PC would be reproduced bit by bit, only DST is unzipped on the fly. DST is used on multichannel SA-CDs.
/faq

Post by FullRangeMan October 7, 2009 (9 of 9)
DSD said:
Thanks for the info.

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