Thread: How many of you are - actually - SACD-ONLY buyers???

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Post by bissie January 15, 2009 (1 of 321)

this is Robert from BIS, aka bissie.

In the current business climate even we have to look at bean-counting.

Since we release all our SACD:s as Hybrids and since we don't charge a premium, but absorb the extra costs for recording, editing, mastering and production of an SACD, selling at the same price as a RBCD,

*I would be extremely interested in knowing how many EXTRA copies we sell because of the SACD option.*

Mathematically, starting from the edited master tape, we need to sell some 600 EXTRA copies of the production in order to break even for the extra costs of producing the SACD, compared to releasing only a RBCD.

Question: do we do it? Since we don't have double inventory, there is no way for me to tell.

Obviously there are other factors as well: prestige, good-will, satisfaction with a superb product, but, when it comes to paying the salaries (BIS is nowadays probably the only classical company in the world with its own, full-time production staff - we have 7 producers/engineers hired that roam the 6 continents of the world recording with our own equipment) we need the green stuff.

So, since this would be the relevant Forum to ask something like that: how many of you, who do buy the occasional BIS SACD would abstain from doing so, were the identical programme to appear only as RBCD?

I think this is a relevant question to put, especially so, since many of my colleagues seemingly have made the same calculation - and then abandoned SACD.

Best - Robert

Post by akiralx January 15, 2009 (2 of 321)
I still buy RBCDs, but would be more tempted to buy a BIS release if it was an SACD.

Post by hanser January 15, 2009 (3 of 321)
The following BIS SACD I bought, I would probably not have bought in RBCD, or only at bargain bin prices:


The following I would have probably bought in RBCD:

As you see, for standard repertoire that I mostly own already, SACD is a big incentive to buy a second recording. The Aho was an exception since it is recorded specially in surround.

I barely buy RBCDs anymore. I recently bought the 20th centure tuba concertos from BIS, because the repertoire is unique. Great disc, by the way (pity, it is not in SACD :-) )

Post by raffells January 15, 2009 (4 of 321)
bissie said:
Hi Robert,
I bought my first CD in the last 5 years (similair period before that)
It was a gift for someone and It was especially interesting ie Hanss Rott symphony.
Prior to that It was Marianne Faithfull (appropriate?) Seven Deadly Sins.
Both of these were upscaled to 88.2 and DVDAs made.
I doubt if I will ever buy a CD again.hi rez downloads Yes.
Keep up the good work.
Best wishes

Post by Johnbs January 15, 2009 (5 of 321)
Dear Robert

For classical music, I buy at least 50 SACDs a year and less than 10 RBCDs

All the BIS discs I have bought have been SACD.

There are so many good classical SACDs available, that I rarely find the need to buy RBCDs

I really hope that BIS will continue to introduce more SACDs



Post by Kieron January 15, 2009 (6 of 321)
So, since this would be the relevant Forum to ask something like that: how many of you, who do buy the occasional BIS SACD would abstain from doing so, were the identical programme to appear only as RBCD?

I would still buy if the programme were to appear only as RBCD.


Post by zeus January 15, 2009 (7 of 321)
I buy both CDs and SA-CDs, but regard CDs as a second-tier product and am reluctant to pay full price unless the performance or (more usually) repertoire is something really special. I'm not immune to picking up CDs at a bargain price though (for example your recent Haydn/Brautigam box). So there's MORE money to be made out of me for SA-CDs, even with the additional costs your end.

Post by trntbl January 15, 2009 (8 of 321)
I buy about dozen BIS-SACDs annually. If they would be available only on RBCD, I´m afraid I would have bought only one or two discs, ever. I discovered the whole
BIS label when I bought SACDs. Keep em coming!

Post by Polly Nomial January 15, 2009 (9 of 321)
I only had a couple of Sibelius BIS releases (original violin concerto and tone poems disc) prior to discovering SACD.

For repertoire that I already had, I would almost certainly not have "double[/triple/etc.] dipped" on these:
Bach: Overtures - Suzuki
Bach: Mass in B minor - Suzuki
Bach: Easter & Ascension Oratorios - Suzuki
Beethoven: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 3 - Brautigam, Parrott
Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 1 & 6 - Vänskä
Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 2 & 7 - Vänskä
Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 3 & 8 - Vänskä
Beethoven: Symphonies Nos. 4 & 5 - Vänskä
Beethoven: Symphony No. 9 - Vänskä
Brahms: Clarinet Sonatas & Trio - Fröst, Pöntinen, Thedéen
Seascapes - Sharon Bezaly
Grieg: Holberg Suite, Music for Strings - Ruud
Grieg: Norwegian Dances, Symphonic Dances, Lyric Suite - Ruud
Grieg: Olav Trygvason, Orchestral Songs - Ruud
Grieg: Peer Gynt - Ruud
Grieg: Peer Gynt Suites - Ruud
Grieg: Piano Concerto, Symphony, In Autumn - Ruud
Grieg: Sigurd Jorsalfar, Landkjenning etc. - Ruud
Handel: Concerti Grossi Op. 6 - Arte dei Suonatori
Liszt: Piano Concertos Nos. 1 & 2 - Arnaldo Cohen
Mozart: Clarinet Concerto, Quintet - Martin Fröst
Mozart: Flute Concertos - Bezaly
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet Suites - Litton
Balakirev, Ravel, Mussorgsky - Freddy Kempf
Weber: Clarinet Concertos & Quintet - Fröst

Nor investigated these:
Aho: Symphony No. 12 - Storgårds
Honey from the Hive - Emma Kirkby, Anthony Rooley
Handel: Great Oratorio Duets - Carolyn Sampson, Robin Blaze

However I would have still most likely purchased these irrespective of format:
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 1 - Brautigam
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 2 - Brautigam
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 3 - Brautigam
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 4 - Brautigam
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 5 - Brautigam
Beethoven: Complete Piano Works Vol. 6 - Brautigam (and hopefully continuing on SACD)
Mozart: Concertos for Two and Three Pianos - Brautigam, Lubimov, Huss
Rachmaninov: Piano Works - Sudbin
Schumann: Symphony No. 1, Overtures - Dausgaard
Schumann: Symphonies Nos. 2 & 4 - Dausgaard
Schumann: Symphonies Nos. 3 & 4 - Dausgaard
Scriabin: Piano Sonatas Nos. 2, 5 & 9 - Sudbin

(I am very grateful that BIS have allowed me though to purchase virtually no RBCD's since adopting SACD as my favoured medium. All my impulse purchases are SACD nowadays - a lossy or compromised format must have a seriously phenomenal recording to tempt me to part with hard earned money and time...)

Post by Peter January 15, 2009 (10 of 321)
To give a single example - Handel: Concerti Grossi Op. 6 - Arte dei Suonatori - I'm not sure I'd have considered this one as I have Boyd Neel (1954) and Trevor Pinnock (stereo CDs!) to cater for all moods, but went for it. And what a delighful surprise it's been.

I have more than enough recordings already but can't resist adding more (OCD?); SACDs are bought as a small priority over CDs and I do value the better sound quality, but I have to say I'm not put off getting recordings I want because of the format. e.g. your Villa-Lobos series, and his symphonies on CPO: I didn't wait for these to appear on SACD, and I only had the Bachianas already.

However, I do admit I have bought some SACDs I wouldn't have bought as CDs. These could be new repertoire, or extra recordings of music I already have. I'm pleased to have got your excellent Schumann symphony series, for example, which I probably wouldn't have if they weren't SACD: i.e. SACD tempted me.

Other temptations include Vanska's Beethoven series, Aho, Frost's and Bezaly's recordings all of which may well have gone under the radar.

I have supported orchestras' labels, buying rather more Mahler symphonies than is sensible or necessary. Someone's got to do it!

I still buy quite a few historical mono recordings, probably a quarter of my purchases.

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