Post by stvnharr July 31, 2008 (21 of 26)
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LivyII said:
1 year ago, how many people bought a PS3 to watch movies of any kind?
I don't know.
But I do know that video games and movies are both video oriented activities. Listening to music is not.
While one can have the ability to listen to music with a game player, that does not mean that this will become a market driver for music listening.
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Post by RWetmore July 31, 2008 (22 of 26)
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azure said:
WISHFUL THINKING :-D
If a "Profile 3" blu ray "audio only" specification eventuates, I hope it incorporates DSD and DXD files as well.
Also, it should allow one to control the operations without the need for a screen, like conventional CD and SA-CD players.
Like current DVD-A discs, the AC3 program is accessible to all DVD players, and the "Advanced Resolution" files can be read only by dedicated universal players; Future "Profile 3" discs should be playable on all BD players, although you would need a compliant player to access DSD and DXD programs.
Needless to say, If the above scenario eventuated, I'm sure manufacturers would produce high end- audio only "dedicated" compliant profile 3 players.
Also, Sony should do the right thing, and include backward compatibiulity with SACD if they release Profile 3 compliant players.
NOW CAN SOMEONE PINCH ME ;-)
I agree your thinking is wishful, but I share your wishes. I think the best we can hope for is 192khz/24bit PCM stereo and multichannel without the use of annoying video menus. DXD would be awesome, but since it would require special players with DXD D/A converters, I can't see them including it.
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Post by LivyII July 31, 2008 (23 of 26)
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stvnharr said:
I don't know.
But I do know that video games and movies are both video oriented activities. Listening to music is not.
While one can have the ability to listen to music with a game player, that does not mean that this will become a market driver for music listening.
Time will tell. I'll bet that if a "Led Zeppelin 'Mothership' Blu-Ray CD" or a "Van Halen '5150' Blu-Ray CD" product appeared on the market, the average consumer would immediately recognize the "Blu-Ray" moniker, would understand that such a thing can be played on his/her existing Blu-Ray player, would immediately know that it will be of better, hi-rez sound quality than an ordinary CD, and would very likely purchase it on those bases (provided price is not prohibitive).
As for listening to music not being a video-oriented activity, I think you are grossly underestimating the effect MTV has had on millions of consumers (like me, who actually watched the premier of the first video on MTV - Buggles, "Video Killed the Radio Star"), as well as video iPods.
The folks for whom listening to music is still a listening only activity aren't shopping much at Best Buy. Nevertheless, Best Buy generates the sales and income that could push hi-rez audio commonplace and get things like the Led Zep and Van Halen back catelogs into a truly superb sonic format, with multichannel and hi rez sound. I don't know what you listen to, but those are the kind of things I'd like to hear. I doubt it will ever happen with SACD.
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Post by stvnharr July 31, 2008 (24 of 26)
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LivyII said:
Time will tell. I'll bet that if a "Led Zeppelin 'Mothership' Blu-Ray CD" or a "Van Halen '5150' Blu-Ray CD" product appeared on the market, the average consumer would immediately recognize the "Blu-Ray" moniker, would understand that such a thing can be played on his/her existing Blu-Ray player, would immediately know that it will be of better, hi-rez sound quality than an ordinary CD, and would very likely purchase it on those bases (provided price is not prohibitive).
As for listening to music not being a video-oriented activity, I think you are grossly underestimating the effect MTV has had on millions of consumers (like me, who actually watched the premier of the first video on MTV - Buggles, "Video Killed the Radio Star"), as well as video iPods.
The folks for whom listening to music is still a listening only activity aren't shopping much at Best Buy. Nevertheless, Best Buy generates the sales and income that could push hi-rez audio commonplace and get things like the Led Zep and Van Halen back catelogs into a truly superb sonic format, with multichannel and hi rez sound. I don't know what you listen to, but those are the kind of things I'd like to hear. I doubt it will ever happen with SACD.
If Blu-Ray audio happens at all, I would think there would be industry announcements in the next year or two. Wait and see I guess.
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I don't know if you've seen it yet, if not check out the Audiophile Audition review of L2 BD first release:
http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=4311
an excerpt that says it all:
"So, what does this prove? I feel it supports my contention that multichannel SACD retains its status as the perfect format for hi-res surround sound, and there is absolutely no reason to switch to an entirely new format of audio-only Blu-ray! The SACD disc offers the advantages of an optional stereo version and playback on any CD player anywhere, whereas Blu-ray requires (at present anyway) a video display to navigate, a long delay before hearing anything, and no playback on CD players. Blu-ray is an image & sound format; in fact, listening in depth to this wonderful string orchestra I was most anxious to view them on the screen in hi-def, performing at least one movement from one of these works. With 50 GB on each Blu-ray disc, there’s certainly plenty of room for such a short video, similar to what some labels were doing with Enhanced CDs - but seem to have given up on lately. My thanks goes out to 2L for offering this comparison opportunity. On the Blu-ray: Very nice; but no cigar. (I’m sure the terrific SACD will be offered separately by 2L.)"
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Post by RWetmore August 4, 2008 (26 of 26)
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an excerpt that says it all:
"So, what does this prove? I feel it supports my contention that multichannel SACD retains its status as the perfect format for hi-res surround sound, and there is absolutely no reason to switch to an entirely new format of audio-only Blu-ray! The SACD disc offers the advantages of an optional stereo version and playback on any CD player anywhere, whereas Blu-ray requires (at present anyway) a video display to navigate, a long delay before hearing anything, and no playback on CD players. Blu-ray is an image & sound format; in fact, listening in depth to this wonderful string orchestra I was most anxious to view them on the screen in hi-def, performing at least one movement from one of these works. With 50 GB on each Blu-ray disc, there’s certainly plenty of room for such a short video, similar to what some labels were doing with Enhanced CDs - but seem to have given up on lately. My thanks goes out to 2L for offering this comparison opportunity. On the Blu-ray: Very nice; but no cigar. (I’m sure the terrific SACD will be offered separately by 2L.)"
If one has to use video menus this thing is going nowhere. It must be standardized with no video menus. If someone wants to include video, they should just release a regular video disc with high quality audio track.
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