Post by DSD August 1, 2008 (111 of 127)
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Edvin said:
So you will rather buy a third or fourth rate performance on SACD than a first rate performance on RBCD? To me that signals a not so big interest in music.
This community reminds me more and more of a sick cult or sect. Maybe it is time for every SACD enthusiast to commit suicide at a specific time.
You know Edvin not all of us are beholden to CD. I seldom bought CDs prior to the invention of SACD and I am sure as hell not going to start buying them now. What I cannot get on SACD I usually can find on LP, Reel to Reel or Cassette. Buying CD sends the wrong signals to those who market software. I want to send the right signal! When I buy something Digital it is either SACD or DVD-Audio, also after ten years of record companies mining the best of the catalogs there are tons of first rate performances on SACD.
Don't play into the enemy's hands don't buy CD.
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Post by Peter August 2, 2008 (112 of 127)
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DSD said:
You know Edvin not all of us are beholden to CD. I seldom bought CDs prior to the invention of SACD and I am sure as hell not going to start buying them now. What I cannot get on SACD I usually can find on LP, Reel to Reel or Cassette. Buying CD sends the wrong signals to those who market software. I want to send the right signal! When I buy something Digital it is either SACD or DVD-Audio, also after ten years of record companies mining the best of the catalogs there are tons of first rate performances on SACD.
Don't play into the enemy's hands don't buy CD.
Teresa, if you are right, (and I, too, would like to see more SACD releases), this leaves me with a moral dilemma. I've recently become enamoured of York Bowen and Benjamin Dale (both born after 1800) and can find recordings of their music only on CD. It's a shame, but what to do?
The DVD-A issues of Everest and Vanguard material on Classic Records are well worth exploring, I think - I imagine you have some these?
Peter
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Post by DSD August 3, 2008 (113 of 127)
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Peter said:
Teresa, if you are right, (and I, too, would like to see more SACD releases), this leaves me with a moral dilemma. I've recently become enamoured of York Bowen and Benjamin Dale (both born after 1800) and can find recordings of their music only on CD. It's a shame, but what to do?
The DVD-A issues of Everest and Vanguard material on Classic Records are well worth exploring, I think - I imagine you have some these?
Peter
Peter how did you discover York Bowen and Benjamin Dale? I generally avoid exposing myself to samples of music not available in an acceptable format for me. Without exposure I avoid dilemmas. Indeed there are so many composers I've never heard of coming out on SACD I have to go to amazon to listen to streaming audio to see if I like the composers. It would take decades just to sample the music of lesser know and unknown composers so I just wait until they appear on SACD to sample them.
I am not impressed with the DVD-A version of the Vanguard material and have sold the few I had. Even though they were released by Silverline I had high hopes for them. I can highly recommend the original SACDs made before Seymour Solomon died and his kids sold the company. The Gould, Thomson and Villa-Lobos SACDs come to mind. I never tried any of the later Artimus SACDs of Vanguard material.
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Peter said:
Teresa, if you are right, (and I, too, would like to see more SACD releases), this leaves me with a moral dilemma. I've recently become enamoured of York Bowen and Benjamin Dale (both born after 1800) and can find recordings of their music only on CD. It's a shame, but what to do?
The DVD-A issues of Everest and Vanguard material on Classic Records are well worth exploring, I think - I imagine you have some these?
Peter
Don't listen to Teresa, Peter. It's as simple as that. She's one slice of bread short of a loaf. The enormous RBCD catalog is never going to be wholly put on SACD. York Bowen and others, which in many ways can only be heard via RBCD, is not worth waiting until you're dead to hear.
Again, Teresa is nuts.
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Post by DSD August 4, 2008 (115 of 127)
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flyingdutchman said:
Don't listen to Teresa, Peter. It's as simple as that. She's one slice of bread short of a loaf. The enormous RBCD catalog is never going to be wholly put on SACD. York Bowen and others, which in many ways can only be heard via RBCD, is not worth waiting until you're dead to hear.
Again, Teresa is nuts.
Yep that one slice missing from my loaf of bread is the heel. You must be that heel?
And just why am I nuts? Because I am a holdout who refused to adopt the low resolution CD format? Well history has proven me correct and the CD adopters were the foolish ones, especially the ones who believed CDs were perfect sound forever. On the other hand until very recently CD was sound from hell in my system. I have finally tamed that beast but CDs are still not for serious listening. SACDs, DVD-Audios and the analog formats fill that requirement quite well.
I still see no reason to go out of one's way to torment oneself by purposely listening to streaming audio of composers which are not on SACD yet. When there are still hundreds of little or unknown composers on SACD to check out streaming audio from? Have you discovered Don Gillis or Jennifer Hidgon yet?
I will check out the streaming audio of these new composers when they appear on high resolution digital or analog but not before then, there are too many other new composers to check out that are on high resolution digital and analog.
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Post by Peter August 5, 2008 (116 of 127)
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Teresa, I discovered York Bowen (and his contemporary Benjamin Dale) a little while ago, when recommended by a very old friend. When I was young and even more ignorant than I am now, I read that Bowen was considered "the English Rachmaninov" a nauseating description. Imagine my surprise to discover that some of his music may be first-rate, and exists on its own terms. On the other hand, and rather like some of Elgar's, some of Bowen's is excellent salon music, needing no apologies for this. Either you like it or you don't.
To come: http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_September08/REAM2105.htm
not SACD, not even stereo, and definitely not SHM-CD.......
Peter
PS While I am waffling away, I notice a set of Prokofiev Symphonies on the way from Phoenix (ex Capriccio) and assume this isn't SACD either.
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Post by HV August 14, 2008 (117 of 127)
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Today, my SHM discs of Nick Drake's Fruit tree arrived. I also have the CD box from a year ago.
Couldn't wait to compare them.
The SHM set has far more clarity and transparency then the CD version. I really could hear the difference (on a pretty good system).
Hans
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Can someone versed in fiber optics please explain to me how the telecommunications industry is able to fire a laser at tera-bit speeds, carrying all types of date imaginable, down a narrow fiber-optic thread for thousands of meters and faithfully reproduce the data-stream on the opposite end with nary a hiccup?
Here we are discussing the merits of a few milli-meters of optical grade polycarbonate plastic penetrated by a laser at a comparatively minute distance at a comparatively minute bit-rate.
Less seriously, the only benefit I can imagine from SHM-CD optical grade polycarbonate plastic is for archival purposes - Better scratch resistance, less likely to degrade over a long period of time; 100+ years perhaps. Maybe there is some benifit to low end CD players. Hmmm, perhaps there is something to be said for $45K CD players after all - LOL!
Oh, how I love free market Capitalism, the free marketplace and freedom of speech. Without it we would be relegated to listening to this all day:
http://www.theeastisred.com/images/records/RCD%2000061a.jpg LOL
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Post by Daland August 16, 2008 (119 of 127)
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Paul Clark said:
Less seriously, the only benefit I can imagine from SHM-CD optical grade polycarbonate plastic is for archival purposes - Better scratch resistance, less likely to degrade over a long period of time; 100+ years perhaps. Maybe there is some benifit to low end CD players. Hmmm, perhaps there is something to be said for $45K CD players after all - LOL!
The benefit must be immense. How else could one explain that the SHM-CD version (in stereo) of an Exton 5-channel DSD recording is more expensive than the SACD version? HMV Japan charges 2700 yen for the SACD, 3000 yen for the SHM-CD. Living Stereo recordings to be issued on SHM-CD will cost almost twice as much as those released on SACD. Obviously, people in Japan are prepared to spend quite a lot of money for archival purposes.
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Daland said:
The benefit must be immense. How else could one explain that the SHM-CD version (in stereo) of an Exton 5-channel DSD recording is more expensive than the SACD version? HMV Japan charges 2700 yen for the SACD, 3000 yen for the SHM-CD. Living Stereo recordings to be issued on SHM-CD will cost almost twice as much as those released on SACD. Obviously, people in Japan are prepared to spend quite a lot of money for archival purposes.
Yes indeed, both parties benefit. The producer for his superior salesmanship and accumulation of wealth and the consumer for his delight in the perceived satisfaction derived from possessing a superior product.
Who am I, we, government to interfere in the private affairs of two sovereign individuals conducting a private business transaction? When both parties are willing participants what is the crime? Who is the victim? Who is to decide? Based on what principles? - slippery slope.
The criminal is the public education system.
The crime, using a polite term, is ignorance!
Let the free market decide.
But I digress, with my apology.
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