Post by wehecht June 18, 2008 (61 of 102)
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Windsurfer said:
This thread really annoys me:
I am one of those (is it my age?) who is quite content to spin discs to listen to my music. Phooey on hard drives. Double phooey on downloads.
Amen Bruce!
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Post by Dan Popp June 18, 2008 (62 of 102)
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Windsurfer said:
I am one of those (is it my age?) who is quite content to spin discs to listen to my music. Phooey on hard drives. Double phooey on downloads.
Whatever your age is, I'm sure that isn't it!!! I also get a lot of pleasure of having the music as a physical medium, to hold the case, to read through the booklet - and obviously listen to the music as well!
Long live hi-res physical formats.
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Kutyatest said:
Whatever your age is, I'm sure that isn't it!!! I also get a lot of pleasure of having the music as a physical medium, to hold the case, to read through the booklet - and obviously listen to the music as well!
Long live hi-res physical formats.
I am in agreement! In my view, vinyl LPs have survived so many formats, so why shouldn't the physical format of SA-CD? Unless they comes up with something that provides the same quality of sound as download, I will stick to my discs too! Even then I still enjoy discs more than the downloads.
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Post by dobyblue June 19, 2008 (65 of 102)
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threerandot said:
DVD Audio was also playable on a DVD Video player, but that didn't create mass market integration of the format. Why should Blu-Ray players entice the masses who favor their portable music on mp3 players?
DVD-Audio rarely contained anything outside of pictures....if at all.
Plus when it first came out you needed three pairs of RCA cables and discs were few and far between as well as expensive. In addition to that the DVD-Audio portion did NOT play on DVD-Video players whereas with Blu-ray all players support 24/192 5.1 and 24/96 7.1
Blu-ray can have audio as well of course, in addition to having numerous standalone video features, downloadable content (like when a NEW video from the same album comes out), interactive content.
I'm sorry, but it's not a valid comparison at all, DVD-A and BD.
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Post by hifirene June 20, 2008 (66 of 102)
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It’s a pity that the big record company’s don’t see any future in the SACD.
I’m a great fan of the better Pop/ Rock and of Fusion Jazz and on this moment less en less sacd with this kind of music is to be released.
I’m waiting now for the last box of Genesis (the Peter Gabriel Era, my favorite period).(the former 2 boxes are not the best in re-mastering, but I like the MC sound)
But I think this will be one of the last rock groups that will be released on sacd.
Perhaps that wonderful labels like MFSL will go one with releasing pop/rock albums but I think it wont be a lot anymore, if you look at al the new re-releases on CD, SHM-CD, XR-CD and vinyl.
So the only thing I can do is hope for better times and in the meanwhile I go back to the roods and started to play vinyl more intensively.
I started to upgrade/ modify my high end turntable, so I can enjoy the real thing more intense.
And for the people that say that vinyl is no high end/ high resolution, I prefer to listen to vinyl that is mastered well and not compressed than listen to a CD that is fucked up by some mastering engineer en sounds terrible.
With my collection of more than 500 LP’s, 500 CD, 100SACD’s and 50 DVD-audios, I now where I’m talking about, a lot of My LP’s sounds better than the CD issue and I don’t have an avarice sound equipment.
The only thing that I really going to miss is the MC performance, and it is a waist for SACD, that company’s bring out special editions of CD’s with an extra DVD with the album in Dolby Digital or DTS MC.(like Dream Theater, The Cure, Yahoo,enc.).
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Post by zeus June 20, 2008 (67 of 102)
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hifirene said:
I’m waiting now for the last box of Genesis ...
September 15:
Genesis 1970-1975
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Post by BigTony June 21, 2008 (68 of 102)
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As this is my first post I'll say Hi, I'm Tony, and I'm an audiophile.. it has been 8 hours since my last SACD 'fix'
I think that like all new Sony media (and there have been a few - those Sony boys keep busy) some make it to the mainstream and others hang about with a diehard core of fans (HD-MD anyone?). The question of 'quality' over 'content' was squished by iTunes, 128kbs downloads and Ipods are the money spinners. And no matter how poor they are sound quality wise, people really like them, and they like the interaction with the download services etc. Physical media will always suffer at the hands of the 'no-waiting' generation - wait for a SACD by post or 3 mins to d/l via iTunes? No contest! So, at best SACD will always appeal to the minority market, and then its a cost benefit exercise for the record companies. If they sell via download, then the money goes into there bank, via physical media the retail chain keeps most of the cash, so the industry would rather you buy direct from them. Maybe Bluray will be the new home of highdef recordings, who knows, but it will always be a small market.
95% of my music is in a media server, and I listen via a Squeezebox3 and an external DAC, but SACD like my vinyl, are my 'Sunday Best' - sit down with a glass of wine, pop a disc in and enjoy - I don't see why the two are incompatible. At the moment I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my CD player (Musical Fidelity A3) to SACD, as I currently listen to SACD via my PS3, but I'm not happy with the sound from the PS3, as the basic settings sound flat, and the Bitmapping options muck about with the sound stage somewhat (I also don't like using 'magic black box' options, I like to know what its doing .. and as I can't compare SACD to PS3 SACD I have no idea of the SQ difference, but as far as CD goes, the options have a detremental effect on sound stange - but they do seem to pick out snippets of sound I don't remember hearing, but at what cost???).
I think SACD will bump along for a while, with a hard core of diehards, sitting in their favourite chairs and listening to music, smiling! And if the rest of the world don't get it .. well thats there loss.
Anyways.. back to mixing my DSD discs.
Cheers
BT
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BigTony said:
As this is my first post I'll say Hi, I'm Tony, and I'm an audiophile.. it has been 8 hours since my last SACD 'fix'
I think that like all new Sony media (and there have been a few - those Sony boys keep busy) some make it to the mainstream and others hang about with a diehard core of fans (HD-MD anyone?). The question of 'quality' over 'content' was squished by iTunes, 128kbs downloads and Ipods are the money spinners. And no matter how poor they are sound quality wise, people really like them, and they like the interaction with the download services etc. Physical media will always suffer at the hands of the 'no-waiting' generation - wait for a SACD by post or 3 mins to d/l via iTunes? No contest! So, at best SACD will always appeal to the minority market, and then its a cost benefit exercise for the record companies. If they sell via download, then the money goes into there bank, via physical media the retail chain keeps most of the cash, so the industry would rather you buy direct from them. Maybe Bluray will be the new home of highdef recordings, who knows, but it will always be a small market.
95% of my music is in a media server, and I listen via a Squeezebox3 and an external DAC, but SACD like my vinyl, are my 'Sunday Best' - sit down with a glass of wine, pop a disc in and enjoy - I don't see why the two are incompatible. At the moment I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my CD player (Musical Fidelity A3) to SACD, as I currently listen to SACD via my PS3, but I'm not happy with the sound from the PS3, as the basic settings sound flat, and the Bitmapping options muck about with the sound stage somewhat (I also don't like using 'magic black box' options, I like to know what its doing .. and as I can't compare SACD to PS3 SACD I have no idea of the SQ difference, but as far as CD goes, the options have a detremental effect on sound stange - but they do seem to pick out snippets of sound I don't remember hearing, but at what cost???).
I think SACD will bump along for a while, with a hard core of diehards, sitting in their favourite chairs and listening to music, smiling! And if the rest of the world don't get it .. well thats there loss.
Anyways.. back to mixing my DSD discs.
Cheers
BT
Welcome, Tony!
About 2 months ago, I was brand new to this forum. It's nice therefore, to see that there are new people out there with an interest in quality sound. I agree with you in quite a few respects, but I would just add the following. I tend to think that there are a lot of people around that enjoy high quality sound, but they aren't actually aware that hi-res formats even exist! Less than 4 years ago, I was one of them! I really do think that for the large majority of the public, the following "rules" exist:-
CD = Audio
DVD = Video
And in recent times, MP3 offers perfect sound quality in a very convenient small format.
I have always been intersted in high quality sound, shunning the dreadful sounding cassette players that kids in my school had in the early to mid 1970s, in favour of reel to reel players. Do you remember those? I realise that MP3 offers a lot in a compact package, but I've not been taken in by it.
I discovered DVD-A and SACD purely by accident, and I'm so glad I did. I keep asking myself, how many others are there about like me?
Anyway, good to have you aboard. There are loads of hi-res albums out there!
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BigTony said:
95% of my music is in a media server, and I listen via a Squeezebox3 and an external DAC, but SACD like my vinyl, are my 'Sunday Best' - sit down with a glass of wine, pop a disc in and enjoy - I don't see why the two are incompatible. At the moment I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my CD player (Musical Fidelity A3) to SACD, as I currently listen to SACD via my PS3, but I'm not happy with the sound from the PS3, as the basic settings sound flat, and the Bitmapping options muck about with the sound stage somewhat (I also don't like using 'magic black box' options, I like to know what its doing .. and as I can't compare SACD to PS3 SACD I have no idea of the SQ difference, but as far as CD goes, the options have a detremental effect on sound stange - but they do seem to pick out snippets of sound I don't remember hearing, but at what cost???).
Would you say your music sounds better via the sqeezebox than the PS3? Would be interested to know what you think.
Regarding the PS3 music playback - Bitmap 1 is awful in every respect I think. Flat and inaccurate. Bitmap 2 was an improvement, but Bitmap 3 sounds great in every way to me. Great soundstaging, accurate, and as you say, it reveals previously unheard sound. You suggested there may be a cost to this revealing sound. Do you mean that the warmth of the sound may be sacrificed? If so, this is a plus to me, not a minus. I am a believer that a warm sound (as opposed to one that has high fidelity to the digital data on the CD), is actually the less desirable option. Personal preference though.
I do find it odd that hi-fi people (especially in Britain) prefer a warm, "musical" sound, to an accurate reproduction.
If you hear a real piano for example, it does not sound warm, it does sound "in-your-face". Rich, but striking rather than warm. I am talking about the sound of a note struck rather than a composition.
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