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Dan,
It seems to me the "drama" belongs entirely to yourself. I have had a hard time not laughing so hard as to make it impossible to type on some of these posts.
Lets talk about audio quality and whether or not it's just a man's world. If you really want to continue your harangue send me an email and save the others here from having to deal with it OK?
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Post by Dan Popp December 19, 2007 (42 of 47)
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Peter wrote:
Dan - at the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, I have to say you are giving me the impression of passive aggression with all this quote unquote business. It's now making unpleasant reading.
The fact that impressions can be misleading was in fact my point. Thanks for your concern.
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Post by Dan Popp December 19, 2007 (43 of 47)
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Windsurfer wrote:
If you really want to continue your harangue send me an email and save the others here from having to deal with it OK?
Windsurfer, I'm sorry you feel that my comments are "harangue." I have nothing to say to you that I'm embarrassed to say to the group. Contrary to the other Dan's remarks, I think this has been an interesting (if overheated) discussion of the role that expectations and assumptions play in what we think we see.
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Post by Peter December 19, 2007 (44 of 47)
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Interesting, Dan? You flatter yourself. Now, for Heaven's sake, give it a rest, or continue off-site. Please.
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Post by Dan Popp December 19, 2007 (45 of 47)
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Peter - control issues?
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Having read books like "Why men don't listen, and women can't read maps" I could very well imagine that thanks to some evolutionary effects dating back to our hunter-gatherer era, men have a better capability to appreciate the spatial aspects of sound (though the opposite may also be true, bearing in mind for instance how women have better peripheral vision than men).
What I would be most interested now however is to hear from audiophile women like Cookie what their experience is with other women's appreciation for high-quality audio and surround sound.
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Post by aaron January 22, 2008 (47 of 47)
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Windsurfer said:
My observations are similar to yours with some startling exceptions, although my exception sort of falls into your categorizations.
My wife hears much more intelligently than I - she has several years of musical training culminating in a Masters degree from Eastman. We attend several concerts each year and she - get this - because she likes to see the conductor and in the case of the Boston Symphony, the principal cellist, has chosen to sit WAY up front in the first balcony. I sat there once with her and thought the sound was borderline harsh, and way over the top LOUD!
My seat is about 3/4 to 7/8 of the way back in the hall in the right hand section of the center of the second balcony. I often exclaim in amazement to myself how loud this or that passage is, but it is never harsh back there.
When we are listening together in my listening room and I play my not-the-greatest, but hardly meager system on good recordings at anything like live concert hall levels (using my back in the second balcony center seat as a reference) she in a panic tells me: TURN IT DOWN!
I wonder what distortions she is hearing that make her so uncomfortable - I know what we are hearing is not (is hardly) the real sound one would get in the hall, but really guys, it isn't all that bad! After several days away from a live concert, I can convince myself that what I am hearing is not a bad substitute... but not at the low levels she insists on employing.
In response to another post on this thread, concerning women conductors - I think there is still a lot of gender bias out there. A woman can be equal to any man in that field and we will discover the truth of this as gender bias finally disappears.
Windsurfer, I build soundsystems myself and I noticed you CAN play louder with improved/better systems. Latest system I build Was the best I've done so far. With this system I can play on concert-levels without you noticing it is that loud! This is the same effect I notice in a concerthall; very very load but not disturbing.
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