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Post by Hitters August 18, 2012 (2741 of 4131)
Simon V. said:

Denève does well with the first and second symphonies, but he could conduct the third and fourth with greater lightness and panache. A more transparent recording would help, which is why I thought of BIS.

Thank you, Simon, for your info. Looks like you are quite an expert in Roussel!
I still find Denéve's rendition of the 3rd a marvel. But you might well be right if you think it might be even better performed and recorded.

Post by wehecht August 18, 2012 (2742 of 4131)
bissie said:

Well, they do the Roussels and others' music - we do the Allan Petterssons and Kalevi Ahos (look at the new releases on the Titles page) in addition to standard fare. Main thing is that they all get done - and hopefully on SACD.

Robert

Robert,

It seems as if we're always urging you to record everything that's missing from the sacd catalog (I know I've chipped in several ideas, like Hanson's first and third symphonies), but since we can't have it all I'm awfully glad that you're doing Pettersson, Aho, Fagerlund, Pulkkis et al, because if you don't most of us will never hear any significant amount of this music (I except Pettersson, of course, since between BIS and cpo I've collected his symphonies, but if any music cries out for everything that multichannel sacd has to offer Pettersson's is it). Unfortunately it's a virtual certainty that no one else is going to record it, at least on sacd, and the likelihood of hearing it in the concert hall is essentially non-existent (here in Philadelphia anyway, though guest Maestro Vanska did give us Aho's Minea a couple of seasons back). So thank you for giving this music life.

Bill

Post by xavster September 14, 2012 (2743 of 4131)
Hello

I know this is a long shot, but worth asking anyway...

Is there any chance of a recording of the beautiful Mozart K452 Piano and Wind Quintet? I can't find a version on SACD (although my RBCD with Murray Perahia et al is lovely).

BIS has many wonderful players up its sleeve. Could be something very special.

Thanks for reading.

Xavier

Post by bissie September 14, 2012 (2744 of 4131)
xavster said:

Hello

I know this is a long shot, but worth asking anyway...

Is there any chance of a recording of the beautiful Mozart K452 Piano and Wind Quintet? I can't find a version on SACD (although my RBCD with Murray Perahia et al is lovely).

BIS has many wonderful players up its sleeve. Could be something very special.

Thanks for reading.

Xavier

Well, this is a tough 'un and Polly N will have to censor me, if my answer is deemed inappropriate.

We do have the K452 is a superlative recording, with no less than Stephen Hough and the Berlin Philharmonic Wind Quintet, and the recording is in 24-bit, but the physical disc is a CD (BIS-CD-1552). I can't remember why we didn't do an SACD out of it, but we didn't.

The Mozart can, however, be downloaded from www.eclassical.com in 24-bit quality for a song and a dance.
I know, this is outside zeus's domain, and, however much I have tried to interest him in an affiliation programme, where he would earn on downloads linked from sa-cd.net, he has declined. So I have stopped going on about eClassical.com in this Forum.
However, in this instance I feel that I may be excused to mention this, since it is an answer to a specific question. If Polly wants to delete this part of my answer, so be it.

Robert

Post by xavster September 14, 2012 (2745 of 4131)
Thanks Robert.
I'll check it out!

Post by Polly Nomial September 14, 2012 (2746 of 4131)
No links, no need!

Post by bissie September 14, 2012 (2747 of 4131)
Polly Nomial said:

No links, no need!

Ah, sometimes it pays off to be old and un-technological. I don't know how to create a link, if my life depended on it....

Robert

Post by jeff3948 September 30, 2012 (2748 of 4131)
bissie said:

Well, this is a tough 'un and Polly N will have to censor me, if my answer is deemed inappropriate.

We do have the K452 is a superlative recording, with no less than Stephen Hough and the Berlin Philharmonic Wind Quintet, and the recording is in 24-bit, but the physical disc is a CD (BIS-CD-1552). I can't remember why we didn't do an SACD out of it, but we didn't.

The Mozart can, however, be downloaded from www.eclassical.com in 24-bit quality for a song and a dance.
I know, this is outside zeus's domain, and, however much I have tried to interest him in an affiliation programme, where he would earn on downloads linked from sa-cd.net, he has declined. So I have stopped going on about eClassical.com in this Forum.
However, in this instance I feel that I may be excused to mention this, since it is an answer to a specific question. If Polly wants to delete this part of my answer, so be it.

Robert

Dear Bissie,

I agree with Zeus in declining your invitation to an affiliation programme for downloads. First, Zeus's website is designed to promote the SACD format. Second, the biggest advantage for me in the SACD format is surround sound. After extensive testing, it's the 5 channel surround sound that makes SACD a major advantage over CD. eClassical.com does not offer 5 channel surround downloads. Other websites do offer multi-channel FLAC downloads like "TheClassicalShop.com", however, multi-channel downloads require much faster download speeds and we all know that upgrading your connection to a faster download speed is a MAJOR cost increase compared to standard 75kb or 150kb download speeds. There are other expenses for downloads as well, such as printing the booklet, Printer ink is extremely expensive and I can't sit at the computer and read the booklet because of my back. Nothing is easier than going to SA-CD.net deciding on a few SACDs to buy and then buying it using the links, receiving them a few days later, and popping one into the player, sitting back and relaxing in my reclining chair, reading the booklet, and then enjoying a 75 minute concert in full surround sound. Also, it's still a lot less expensive to buy the SACD than to download the multi-channel version from one of the websites that offer multi-channel downloads. I've found that downloading is absolutely NOT an option for me. So, please keep releasing your gorgous multi-channel SACD's. I'll be looking forward to purchasing the Mozart Piano Quintet (BIS-1552) in multi-channel SACD format if you ever release it in that format. In fact would it not be grand if each of the 5 instruments took up a single speaker so the quintet of instruments truely surrounded the listener? Yes, it would be Grand!!

Jeff

Post by bissie September 30, 2012 (2749 of 4131)
jeff3948 said:

Dear Bissie, (edited because of length - original, see above)

Second, the biggest advantage for me in the SACD format is surround sound. After extensive testing, it's the 5 channel surround sound that makes SACD a major advantage over CD. eClassical.com does not offer 5 channel surround downloads. Other websites do offer multi-channel FLAC downloads like "TheClassicalShop.com", however, multi-channel downloads require much faster download speeds and we all know that upgrading your connection to a faster download speed is a MAJOR cost increase compared to standard 75kb or 150kb download speeds. Nothing is easier than going to SA-CD.net deciding on a few SACDs to buy and then buying it using the links, receiving them a few days later, and popping one into the player, sitting back and relaxing in my reclining chair, reading the booklet, and then enjoying a 75 minute concert in full surround sound. Also, it's still a lot less expensive to buy the SACD than to download the multi-channel version from one of the websites that offer multi-channel downloads. Jeff

Well written, and I personally agree with you, never having downloaded anything myself. However, the physical distribution is getting worse and worse, with the declining number of shops surviving, so we have to gear up for the inevitable future, and eclassical.com WILL offer surround not too far away. For the time being we don't plan to charge anything extra for it, so you would have it at the same price as high-res stereo. I can see no reason whatsoever to charge more for a download than for the physical disc, rather the contrary!!, but I know that others try to squeeze as much as possible out of the buyer, which I think is shortsighted in the extreme. I can see the time not too far away, when, in the light of drastically declining sales, we cannot afford to release physical SACD:s, and we need to prepare for that.

So I still think zeus has made the wrong call, but that call is his to make.

Robert

Post by canonical September 30, 2012 (2750 of 4131)
bissie said:

I can see the time not too far away, when, in the light of drastically declining sales, we cannot afford to release physical SACD:s, and we need to prepare for that.

The above appears to describe the rather sad end of BIS: a model where your firm cannot afford to distribute physical discs, and the populace downloads the virtual copy, by their own means, largely for free.

The growth of piracy is just in its infancy. I can see the time not too far away, when most downloads (even classical downloads) are illegal downloads, and it may be prudent to prepare for that too.

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