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Post by mahlerei August 3, 2010 (1611 of 3772)
Just to clarify. My original question was directed at Robert - logical enough, as this is the BIS thread and I felt it was a matter that he needed to be aware of - and then I responded to krisjan's assertion that it's all about the free market. I used an analogy - which seems to have been misconstrued as obfuscation - to challenge that assertion. If that strikes some of you as 'thread pollution' then I apologise. To me it seems an eminently rational - and legitimate - point to raise.

I left this MB once before, and now I'm beginning to regret I ever returned.

Post by krisjan August 3, 2010 (1612 of 3772)
mahlerei said:

krisjan

You are being very childish now. May I remind you it was YOU who brought up the free market issue in a discussion that was focused on the costs of CDs/SACDs. Having lost the argument - through sheer bad manners and wilful ignorance - you now resort to unreasoning abuse. I really urge you work on your social and debating skills; both need a lot of attention.

Just as I thought - you won't answer my question and then resort to ad hominem attacks. Exactly what argument did I "lose". The one where I said that CD/SACD pricing should be governed by free market principles or the one where I challenged you to tell me what is "fair" and who determines "fairness" and for which you failed to respond?

Post by krisjan August 3, 2010 (1613 of 3772)
k-spin said:

Krisjan, not aiming this at you in particular and do not mean any offence.

Understood. I never meant for this thread to lead to a discussion of free market principles in general - only as they apply to the pricing of CD's/SACD's. It's the other guy who insisted on OBFUSCATING my original point by bringing up an example that has nothing to do with my point. My responses have hewn strictly to CD/SACD pricing.

Post by Barryroque August 4, 2010 (1614 of 3772)
mahlerei said:



I left this MB once before, and now I'm beginning to regret I ever returned.

So are the rest of us.

krisjan's original point (post1619) was quite clear and valid. If someone is stupid enough to be prepared to pay £63.99 for this recording they deserve to be stung.

Post by diw August 4, 2010 (1615 of 3772)
On this issue I would like to mention that I find it amazing that I can routinely purchase a Bis SACD from a British company and have them ship it to the US for less than purchasing it from an American on-line vendor.

Post by diw August 4, 2010 (1616 of 3772)
I am listening to and enjoying the Britten string quartet disc. Interesting that 2 SACD's of British music have been released so close together.

Will we see more English music from Bis in the near future? More Britten string quartets? Perhaps some of the RVW symphonies? Or that long awaited new SACD recording of the Elgar cello concerto?

Post by bissie August 4, 2010 (1617 of 3772)
diw said:

I am listening to and enjoying the Britten string quartet disc. Interesting that 2 SACD's of British music have been released so close together.

Will we see more English music from Bis in the near future? More Britten string quartets? Perhaps some of the RVW symphonies? Or that long awaited new SACD recording of the Elgar cello concerto?

Thanks for getting this thread back on track, even though it is interesting to note that it is - by a very wide margin - the most visited thread in the catalogue...

You will see all 3 SACD:s of Britten's String Quartet music. As for RVW and Elgar, no immediate plans, as far as I am informed.

Robert

Post by bissie August 4, 2010 (1618 of 3772)
Barryroque said:

So are the rest of us.

krisjan's original point (post1619) was quite clear and valid. If someone is stupid enough to be prepared to pay £63.99 for this recording they deserve to be stung.

No, I don't agree. That price shouldn't be there in the first place. It is certainly not good PR for us, and, as someone rightly pointed out, we don't get even a farthing more, if someone really goes and buys for that immoral price. I don't think that even a very well-to-do or reckless customer should be stung - not in the society in which I want to live. Anyway, the matter is urgently being dealt with by a rather angry distributor.

Robert

Post by jdaniel August 4, 2010 (1619 of 3772)
Bissie,

FWIW, I'm listening to your Cantigas de Santa Maria with the Joculatores Upsalienses (on Lp 225) which made Art Salvatore's top-rated Lp recordings of all time (the "Divinity" category, I believe). Good engineering back then too, I see.!

Post by bissie August 4, 2010 (1620 of 3772)
jdaniel said:

Bissie,

FWIW, I'm listening to your Cantigas de Santa Maria with the Joculatores Upsalienses (on Lp 225) which made Art Salvatore's top-rated Lp recordings of all time (the "Divinity" category, I believe). Good engineering back then too, I see.!

With the risk of tearing up old scabs: I will go to my grave with my absolute conviction that there are so many parts to a good recording that concentrating on one, and one only doesn't tell the whole truth. Room, for instance, is infinitely more important than resolution.

This was a recording in the main hall of an old 14th C castle (so time-aligned with the music), done with 2 Sennheisers straight into a ReVox 15 ips and, if I remember correctly, AGFA 468 tape, hand-spliced/edited with scissors/tape during the nights and played to the Artists in the mornings for their approval by yours very truly,

Robert.

PS. Those days were fun. Could never do that today. Can't understand how I could do it back then - driving, building up the equipment (not much, but several stairs), recording/editing, and going back home, 4-5 days without any sleep.

PPS. The result is to be had on CD:s, but under different numbers, as we compiled 4 LP:s into 3 CD:s (BIS-CD-3, 75 and 120)

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