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Post by bissie January 17, 2014 (3561 of 4131)
thomian said:

In another forum I read, that this "upsampling" of original 44.1kHz recordings affects a lot of more BIS Records, and it seems to be an error by Naxos or Qobuz.
(http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-audiophile-downloads/qobuz-when-24-96-guaranteed-studio-master-not-one-18995/)
any news on this?

I just posted this there:

I was pointed to this thread from sa-cd.net. As I said, I have written to Qobuz with my real name and position in order to demand an explanation, as these things could be rather damaging to us, and certainly tricks the buyer into paying for something it isn't, and never was, namely a 24/96 recording.
With the risk of being accused of touting my own goods, I have to say that you should buy BIS stuff from eClassical.com High Resolution FLAC & MP3 Classical Music Download Store. Here you will, at a rather better price, get the real thing, and advertised as such. End advertisement.

I am outraged by situations like this: several years ago, I was drawn and quartered on sa-cd.net, because HDTracks wrongly sold our first SACD:s in 24/88,2, when in fact they were 24/44,1. At the time I had no idea that HDTracks even existed. They had got hold of my physical SACD:s and ripped the DSD layer, then advertised them to be 24/88,2. I didn't know anything about this, but I was named a liar and a cheat etc. Very uncomfortable. So what did HDTracks do? They blamed BIS!!!! This is why, since that day, they are under an absolute boycot from BIS - they get nothing to sell.
I hope that this will not get that far with Qobuz, but the fact that they haven't even deigned to answer me in a week speaks badly for them.
I have no problems whatsoever in cutting off anyone from selling our stuff, who doesn't live up to the very basic rules of transparency and honesty. Basta!!

BTW, we now exclusively record in 24/96 or 24/192.

Robert (von Bahr, CEO, BIS Records and eClassical)

Post by bissie January 18, 2014 (3562 of 4131)
thomian said:

Dear Robert,
I noticed that qobuz.com and linnrecords.com started to sell Studio Masters from Masaaki Suzukis BIS Cantata series. Especially some early Volumes, that have previously been published as redbook CDs, are now available with a samplerate of 96kHz!!! Does that mean, that you've started to remaster the early volumes for SACD reissues? (i.e. Remastering of the 44kHz Recordings to 96kHz?)
yours, Thomian

Dear Thomian,

We don't have to remaster anything for release on SACD. You can release the glorious 4-bit mono sound of a dictaphone on SACD.

The situation is that we have Surround material in 24/44,1 from Vol 28 onwards to the final volume, which is 24/96. This means 28 volumes. I believe that also some other volumes are 24/88,2 or 24/96.
In the first 27 volumes we also have access to a few 24/88,2 or 24/96, but in Stereo only. They have not appeared as SACD:s.

There has been a very high demand that we release the whole series as SACD:s. For that reason we have added a very carefully researched surround to the first 27 volumes (I must say, it sounds completely convincing) and eventually we will probably release a Limited Edition of 55 SACD Boxes.

BUT, we will declare absolutely and thoroughly what has been done - we're not in this business to cheat. The added advantage for the first 25 or so will only be the "surround", nothing else.

Hope this clarifies issues.

Robert

Post by hiredfox January 18, 2014 (3563 of 4131)
bissie said:


I have no problems whatsoever in cutting off anyone from selling our stuff, who doesn't live up to the very basic rules of transparency and honesty. Basta!!

BTW, we now exclusively record in 24/96 or 24/192.

Robert (von Bahr, CEO, BIS Records and eClassical)

Full support for that.

Love how the 24/192 format has entered the repertoire. Will future SACD discs be available at the higher resolution or just for downloading?

Post by RWetmore January 18, 2014 (3564 of 4131)
bissie said:

BTW, we now exclusively record in 24/96 or 24/192.

Why did you ultimately choose 96khz and 192khz instead of 88.2khz and 176.4Khz? If releasing in DSD or even 44.1Khz, I would never go that route since there is no way to 'directly' transfer or down-sample (i.e. 96 and 192 are non-integer multiples of 44.1Khz).

Post by bissie January 18, 2014 (3565 of 4131)
hiredfox said:

Full support for that.

Love how the 24/192 format has entered the repertoire. Will future SACD discs be available at the higher resolution or just for downloading?

To the best of my knowledge the SACD:s have the original sf, but I have to check. I am assuming that the DSD has been created from the original, that is, 24/192 where applicable. Will report back.

Robert

Post by bissie January 18, 2014 (3566 of 4131)
RWetmore said:

Why did you ultimately choose 96khz and 192khz instead of 88.2khz and 176.4Khz? If releasing in DSD or even 44.1Khz, I would never go that route since there is no way to 'directly' transfer or down-sample (i.e. 96 and 192 or non-integer multiples of 44.1Khz).

This question I will transfer to the one that knows and understands this.

Best - Robert

Post by RWetmore January 18, 2014 (3567 of 4131)
bissie said:

This question I will transfer to the one that knows and understands this.

Best - Robert

Thanks. I'll be curious to hear his or her reasoning. Perhaps conversion with the latest software is mathematically, i.e. exactly, the same as integer multiples would be for transfer/down-rezing to DSD/44.1khz? Intuitively though, I think I would still go the direct integer multiple route, as it just seems to be the 'safest' for such an application.

Post by Jonalogic January 18, 2014 (3568 of 4131)
RWetmore said:

Why did you ultimately choose 96khz and 192khz instead of 88.2khz and 176.4Khz? If releasing in DSD or even 44.1Khz, I would never go that route since there is no way to 'directly' transfer or down-sample (i.e. 96 and 192 are non-integer multiples of 44.1Khz).

Geez, give Robert a break!

After years of our haranguing him about why he wasn't recording in 24/96, he announces that BIS has gone exclusively 24/96 or 24/192. Hurrah, says I.

44.1KHz sampling frequency and its multiples are peculiar vestiges of the unlamented RBCD era; as CD is carted off to the dustbin of history, why bother with anything to do with this format? It's dead and buried. And it was never worth a damn, sonically.

Post by Jonalogic January 18, 2014 (3569 of 4131)
bissie said:

I just posted this there:

I was pointed to this thread from sa-cd.net. As I said, I have written to Qobuz with my real name and position in order to demand an explanation, as these things could be rather damaging to us, and certainly tricks the buyer into paying for something it isn't, and never was, namely a 24/96 recording.
With the risk of being accused of touting my own goods, I have to say that you should buy BIS stuff from eClassical.com High Resolution FLAC & MP3 Classical Music Download Store. Here you will, at a rather better price, get the real thing, and advertised as such. End advertisement.

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I hope that this will not get that far with Qobuz, but the fact that they haven't even deigned to answer me in a week speaks badly for them.
I have no problems whatsoever in cutting off anyone from selling our stuff, who doesn't live up to the very basic rules of transparency and honesty. Basta!!


Robert (von Bahr, CEO, BIS Records and eClassical)

Robert Hi

Yikes, that's hair-raising stuff. Quite understandable that you go orbital on this one!

Qobuz for downloads is a bust; just look at their website! But if they are up to this sort of stunt as well, they are dead to me.

HDTracks playing fast and loose with your product is a bit more alarming to me. Although I haven't bought any of your fine products there, they are quite useful for some other (unmentionable) labels.

Bummer. One has to wonder how widespread this sort of malpractice extends in the download vendor community.

Cheers

Jon

Post by RWetmore January 18, 2014 (3570 of 4131)
Jonalogic said:

44.1KHz sampling frequency and its multiples are peculiar vestiges of the unlamented RBCD era; as CD is carted off to the dustbin of history, why bother with anything to do with this format? It's dead and buried. And it was never worth a damn, sonically.

DSD is a multiple of 44.1khz - not 48khz, which is the main point, as I don't really care about transfer to redbook CD.

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