Post by dschawv June 20, 2006 (1 of 11)
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Anyone pick up this title yet?
After the failure, IMHO, of the Rostropovich, I would love to have a great, driving 8th!
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Post by nickc June 20, 2006 (2 of 11)
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dschawv said:
Anyone pick up this title yet?
After the failure, IMHO, of the Rostropovich, I would love to have a great, driving 8th!
I'm looking at it but as ridiculous as it sounds the timings are worrying me - nearly 28 minutes for the first movement! Lies, damned lies and timings I suppose.
The new Caetani Arts Music is no more than 21 minutes for this movement!
Cheers
Nick
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Post by stvnharr June 20, 2006 (3 of 11)
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nickc said:
I'm looking at it but as ridiculous as it sounds the timings are worrying me - nearly 28 minutes for the first movement! Lies, damned lies and timings I suppose.
The new Caetani Arts Music is no more than 21 minutes for this movement!
Cheers
Nick
Nick,
Are you sure this (first movement timing)is a good way to evaluate this piece of music?
The total time for Oleg Caetani's 8th is 53:05. This is about 5 minutes faster than the fastest recording I ever had, Litton/Dallas at around 58 minutes, and moved right along, maybe a little too much so.
I have the Berglund recording. It's a little faster than the Wigglesworth, Rostropovich, and Kitajenko. It's got great Pentatone sound. It's not quite as dynamic as either the BIS or LSO Live recording, but maybe the climaxes weren't played quite as loud. I've listened to the Berglund twice and really liked it the first time around.
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Post by nickc June 20, 2006 (4 of 11)
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stvnharr said:
Nick,
Are you sure this (first movement timing)is a good way to evaluate this piece of music?
The total time for Oleg Caetani's 8th is 53:05. This is about 5 minutes faster than the fastest recording I ever had, Litton/Dallas at around 58 minutes, and moved right along, maybe a little too much so.
I have the Berglund recording. It's a little faster than the Wigglesworth, Rostropovich, and Kitajenko. It's got great Pentatone sound. It's not quite as dynamic as either the BIS or LSO Live recording, but maybe the climaxes weren't played quite as loud. I've listened to the Berglund twice and really liked it the first time around.
hi stvnharr
i did say as ridiculous as it sounds! i have the kitaenko and felt the first movement was so slow it nearly fell apart and this is about the same timing.
anyway its a pentatone and i'll probably buy it anyway!
cheers
nick
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nickc said:
anyway its a pentatone and i'll probably buy it anyway!
cheers
nick
(chuckle) me too and I don't even think I like this particular Shostakvitch - heard Berglund and the Boston Symphony play its rude loud dissonances to the full, following Julia Fischer's performance of the Sibelius - now there's a disc I will buy in a moment if and when it materializes!
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Post by stvnharr June 21, 2006 (6 of 11)
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nickc said:
hi stvnharr
i did say as ridiculous as it sounds! i have the kitaenko and felt the first movement was so slow it nearly fell apart and this is about the same timing.
anyway its a pentatone and i'll probably buy it anyway!
cheers
nick
Nick,
Kitajenko, Rostropovich, Wigglesworth, and Berglund all have fairly close timings in the first movement. To me, only the Rostropovich really sounds slow. You and several other reviewers feel a slowness in the Kitajenko.
One thing is for sure, Oleg Caetani does not do it slow.
I've heard him conduct the MSO a couple times, and he moves things right along. I'm still debating on his S8th. Might be interesting to have a super fast version. He must just leave out repeats or something rather than have everyone play fast.
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Post by nickc June 21, 2006 (7 of 11)
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stvnharr said:
Nick,
Kitajenko, Rostropovich, Wigglesworth, and Berglund all have fairly close timings in the first movement. To me, only the Rostropovich really sounds slow. You and several other reviewers feel a slowness in the Kitajenko.
One thing is for sure, Oleg Caetani does not do it slow.
I've heard him conduct the MSO a couple times, and he moves things right along. I'm still debating on his S8th. Might be interesting to have a super fast version. He must just leave out repeats or something rather than have everyone play fast.
Hi Steven
I put on the Kitaenko last night again to have another listen and it was too slow for me - I almost kept waiting for the next phrase! I think I'll try the Caetani - I have his 5th. and 6th. on DVD-A which I liked.
BTW on Caetani I also have heard him with the MSO , funnily enough playing the Rudi Stephan which Chandos have released and I haven't bought yet (mea culpa!)
In recompense I have the MSO Chandos Tansman SACD - I've listened to it a few times but it hasn't really grabbed me as of yet - I'll have another listen on the weekend. The sound ( once you turn it way up) is pretty good.
I've been stuck trying to think what to say about the LSO Live Kullervo - the acoustic is so execrable- I have 30 year old Colin Davis CDs that sound better!but I'll try not to use that word in the review...
Cheers
Nick
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Post by stvnharr June 22, 2006 (8 of 11)
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nickc said:
Hi Steven
I put on the Kitaenko last night again to have another listen and it was too slow for me - I almost kept waiting for the next phrase! I think I'll try the Caetani - I have his 5th. and 6th. on DVD-A which I liked.
BTW on Caetani I also have heard him with the MSO , funnily enough playing the Rudi Stephan which Chandos have released and I haven't bought yet (mea culpa!)
In recompense I have the MSO Chandos Tansman SACD - I've listened to it a few times but it hasn't really grabbed me as of yet - I'll have another listen on the weekend. The sound ( once you turn it way up) is pretty good.
I've been stuck trying to think what to say about the LSO Live Kullervo - the acoustic is so execrable- I have 30 year old Colin Davis CDs that sound better!but I'll try not to use that word in the review...
Cheers
Nick
Hi Nick,
I also like Oleg Caetani's 5th and 6th. I heard him conduct the 6th with MSO some years ago, and he moved it right along. His personal conducting style is a little different - just walk out and start waving arms and the orchestra starts to play, no call to attention, pause, etc.
I'm pondering getting his 8th and 11th. The 8th is real speedy, but the 11th isn't quite so much. A real speedy 11th is the Pletnev 11th, almost like there was something on tele that night and they were all in a hurry to get home.
The other sacd 8th's all seem to have slow first movements ala Kitajenko. The Berglund is about the least slow, but it's still slow.
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Post by stvnharr June 22, 2006 (9 of 11)
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Nick,
Here's a review on classics today of the Caetani 8th
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=10020
I think it is true that the speedier way of playing this does go back to the earlier way of playing this piece. I used to have a couple Mravinski recordings of the 8th, and they were not slow.
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Post by Peter June 23, 2006 (10 of 11)
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stvnharr said:
Nick,
Here's a review on classics today of the Caetani 8th
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=10020
I think it is true that the speedier way of playing this does go back to the earlier way of playing this piece. I used to have a couple Mravinski recordings of the 8th, and they were not slow.
I have the Mravinsky Philips and wouldn't part with it but I also like the Rostropovich on LSO Live. The interpretations are so different yet, to me, both valid.
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