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Discussion: Shostakovich: Symphony No. 7 - Paavo Järvi

Posts: 8

Post by Polly Nomial April 26, 2015 (1 of 8)
The text of this post has been deleted by the moderator. Reason:

False claims that cannot contribute positively to any discussion about this recording.

Post by Polly Nomial May 1, 2015 (2 of 8)
OK. Mea maxima culpa time.

In my rush to listen to this after a spot of DIY in my listening room, some speakers got plugged in out of phase: the recording now sounds brilliant as we are accustomed to from this label. I should have done this checking before posting as I did earlier.

I'm very sorry to all those involved in making the recording & to all those who have been put off purchasing this disc.

I now believe that the extra brass instruments are intentionally placed behind the listener (I've asked for confirmation but now my system is "happy", all the balances are now plausible and coherent). There are some differences in what music is allocated to the extra brass instruments from that in the score I use (Kalmus - see http://archives.nyphil.org/index.php/artifact/b18286c8-1c6d-4a65-b28f-1adde6a2b79e/fullview#page/1/mode/2up for Bernstein's annotated & scanned copy) but that's an entirely different matter to what I originally supposed.

(I've removed my original posting because, although it was made in good faith, it was not based on an incorrect set of assumptions and it does no-one any favours to unfairly malign a perfectly good recording.)

My apologies once again.

Post by hiredfox May 3, 2015 (3 of 8)
Where will he turn up next, one wonders? Surely Järvi is the most recorded maestro of modern times but does more mean less in terms of quality? The Russian National Orchestra is a finely honed machine under the baton of Michail Pletnev but is it altogether wise to allow an itinerant wand swisher to take over the reins briefly for such an important survey especially a non-Russian. For sure the precision of playing has not suffered but where oh where is the emotional expression. Isn't this work about triumph and thanksgiving for a job well done even if gruesome at its best?

Of course Pentatone do their recording thing so well and the RNO seem not to know how to play badly these days unlike Russian orchestras of the past, so the results are spell binding as a purely listening exercise but music is about more than the sonic gymnastics and gosh / wow moments that HI Fi buffs are so keen on.

So maybe more has meant less in this case, certainly this listener wanted more from this performance than was on offer. There are quite a few more satisfying accounts on SACD recordings than this for sure.

Post by Vaan May 3, 2015 (4 of 8)
Well, since Paavo Järvi is one of the worst conductors ever I'm not surprised. How anyone can take this person seriously as a musician is beyond me and many of the musicians I've discussed younger conductors with.

Post by wehecht May 3, 2015 (5 of 8)
hiredfox said:

Where will he turn up next, one wonders? Surely Järvi is the most recorded maestro of modern times but does more mean less in terms of quality?

Are you perhaps thinking of papa Jarvi? And did that expectation perhaps color your view of the recording?

Post by akiralx May 3, 2015 (6 of 8)
Vaan said:

Well, since Paavo Järvi is one of the worst conductors ever I'm not surprised. How anyone can take this person seriously as a musician is beyond me and many of the musicians I've discussed younger conductors with.

I only have his excellent Mahler 2 from Frankfurt, but I thought most of his Beethoven recordings, and others, generally receive fine reviews?

Post by Luukas June 25, 2015 (7 of 8)
"2 of 2 recommend this". Has anybody heard this on surround?

Post by Hitters June 25, 2015 (8 of 8)
Vaan said:

Well, since Paavo Järvi is one of the worst conductors ever I'm not surprised. How anyone can take this person seriously as a musician is beyond me and many of the musicians I've discussed younger conductors with.

always in the moderate path, Thomas.

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