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Discussion: Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers: Moanin'

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Post by Lunna July 7, 2013 (1 of 4)
Just purchased this one at a price well below retail, based on the reviews and the number of persons who liked it (and a sample listen on amazon). Hope it's as good as folks say!

Post by undertone July 8, 2013 (2 of 4)
Lunna said:

Hope it's as good as folks say!

It's a classic Blue Note session from late 1958 that exemplifies the hard bop sound of the era. A young Lee Morgan plays with confidence and ingenuity in a set of charts written and arranged by tenor sax player Benny Golson (except for the title track, Moanin', by pianist Bobby Timmons and Come Rain or Come Shine by Arlen and Mercer).

Hoffman and Gray's remastering is very good. I suspect they may have added a small amount of digital reverb to blend the plate reverb that Rudy Van Gelder used on Blakey's drum kit. Van Gelder improved and refined his recording technique over the following years (and used less reverb), culminating in some astonishingly good sound quality on Kenny Burrell: Midnight Blue and Coleman Hawkins Quartet: Today And Now, among other examples of his recordings in the period 1962 - 1965.

Post by Claude July 8, 2013 (3 of 4)
undertone said:

Hoffman and Gray's remastering is very good. I suspect they may have added a small amount of digital reverb to blend the plate reverb that Rudy Van Gelder used on Blakey's drum kit.

I don't think so. In that case the reverb Rudy added would be on the master tape.

Steve Hoffman has mastered a number of albums with dry sound that were released with added reverb earlier.

Post by undertone July 8, 2013 (4 of 4)
Claude said:

I don't think so. In that case the reverb Rudy added would be on the master tape.

Steve Hoffman has mastered a number of albums with dry sound that were released with added reverb earlier.

According to Hoffman, RVG mixed the reverb signal onto his master tapes. Alan Yoshida's recent Audio Wave remasters of Blue Note recordings did not add any digital reverb, but there is certainly plenty of reverb on the drum kit in every one of those reissues that I've heard. The Audio Wave titles were transferred from RVG's original masters.

Here is a quote from Steve Hoffman that addresses this question (URL follows):

"Rudy did all his "tricking" right on the master tape so he didn't have to redub and lose a generation.. In other words, he didn't record something and re-dub it adding compression, echo, EQ, etc., he did it all live in real time while the music was being recorded.

Roy DuNann and Howard Holzer at Contemporary recorded everything flat and dry and the "tricks" were added during LP disk mastering.

So, a Contemporary master tape today sounds amazing while a Prestige or Blue Note master tape needs a little "reverse trickery" to get it to sound better."

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/steves-analogue-productions-blue-note-sacd-cd-sound-quality-discussion-thread.171918/page-2

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